Simple Living & High Thinking | Swami Vivekananda's Secret | Bhagavad Gita

Simple Living & High Thinking | Swami Vivekananda's Secret | Bhagavad Gita

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(00:00) It is what you think of, what occupies the mind. If you are focused on material things, and then you complicate life. Because you want too much of the world, you don't have enough, and then you know, you get caught in what they call as moha jalat, delusion. The kind of web of delusion you get caught in. And there's no end to it.
(00:23) Whereas, what he's saying is simplify your material needs. And once you focus shifts to emotional, intellectual, spiritual, as high as you go, naturally your needs go down. >> [music] [music] >> Namaste and welcome to this episode of our show on the Bhagavad Gita with Srimati Jaya Rao, renowned teacher of Vedanta, and also my mother.
(00:59) I'm your host, Ajay. You know, Jaya Jaya, when I was researching for the show, one of the things that you know, got my mind is the way that you know, we tend to complicate things as humans. We we've started to complicate things like beyond comprehension, right? So, for example, when it comes to relationships, you know, even on social media, they say single, committed, or it's complicated.
(01:32) So, so sometimes it's like we get into relationships, and the woman will have her children, the guy will have his children, and they have children together. I mean, it's like it's it's such a hard logistical operation. So, that's relationships. When it comes to like our possessions, our gadgets, there is no point of time during the day where we are not charging something or another, whether it's our AirPods or or the watch or the the phone or the power bank.
(02:11) I mean, there's there's nothing that we're not charging at some point of time. And then when it comes to I mean, even something as trivial as coffee, right? You go into a coffee shop and they ask you fat-free milk full-fat milk almond milk oat milk cashew milk. I mean, it's like mind-boggling. But why is it that you know, we have complicated our lives uh to such an extent? >> See, there is first of all, technology has made all this possible.
(02:41) And then uh why have they done it? Because the demand is from us. So, whereas two generations back, you had the same cuisine that your traditional parents, grandparents had. Today, you have Chinese, Mexican, Ethiopian, all kinds of food available. >> Every day. >> On a daily basis. You go to buy shampoo in the US particularly, if I don't have someone to guide me, I get lost.
(03:14) There are 15 different types of shampoo. >> Yeah, it's overwhelming. >> Yeah. Now, look back in like say our generation. When we were growing up, we had only two cars to choose from. And that too, the choice wasn't ours because it had a long waiting list. But we were happy. I remember the first time we got the Ambassador car, we behaved like we had bought a Mercedes.
(03:36) So, research also shows that the less the choice if you're not given a choice, you're happy with what you have. >> Mhm. >> Now, what has happened is the very abundance that has been created by technology, the choices, have resulted in uh a fear of missing out on alternate options. >> FOMO. >> FOMO. So, you buy one and you say, "Oh, maybe I should have got the other.
(04:04) " And all this has happened because basically there is a demand from the human being. The desires have gone up. >> Mhm. >> So, marketers and manufacturers are only >> Tapping into it. >> Yes. To gain an edge over others. Now, the choice is ours. If we say, "Okay, this suits me and I will stick to it." Then life becomes simple.
(04:27) >> Mhm. >> But when you start looking at other things, other options, then you you become unhappy and that's the result of all this. So, now it's not just like you said, it's not that life is complicated. Our minds have become complicated. >> Mhm. >> So, within this framework, if you're if you simplify your mind, you prioritize your desires, your wants, and say, "I'm happy with this.
(04:57) I will have it." And anything else that comes is a bonus. So, Vedanta is not against having more or possessing more. You can possess the whole world. But never should you depend on anything. So, you know, spiritual development is inversely proportional to your dependence on the world. >> Right. >> So, what they say is the Bhagavad Gita, in fact, gives you the formula to gain more from the world.
(05:26) And it also gives you the formula to depend less on the world. So, if your spiritual level goes up to 70%, you need you're quite happy with a simple lifestyle. A one-bedroom apartment, you know, small car, so on and so forth. But because you have merit, the world comes to you. Now, you may have a five-bedroom mansion, you may have luxury cars, you may have a private aircraft.
(05:55) All that doesn't impinge on your mental balance. >> Yeah. >> But the way we are today, that we are wholly dependent on the world, and we don't have enough of the world. >> Yeah. >> Cuz our desires outstrip our ability to earn. So, that gap puts you in hell. That is what Vedanta is against. >> So, is it that the number of choices does is our happiness also a function of the number of choices? Because you know, you just said that in when you were younger, there were only two choices of cars.
(06:31) So, when the choices are limited, I mean, life is automatically much simpler, right? >> Yes, but that is from external. >> By default. >> By default. >> Mhm. >> Whereas now, given the choices, multiple choices that there are, if you discipline your mind, or if you grow spiritually, you don't need all this, then you decide what you need, and you're happy with it.
(06:55) You have that, you're happy with it. If more comes, it's a bonus. >> So, then would it be right to say that the more choices you have, the more spiritual fortitude and clarity you need? >> Yes. >> be correct? >> Absolutely. >> So, I mean, in the world today, as opposed to maybe like 50, 60 years ago, there is an even greater need for all of us to have this kind of spiritual clarity, right? >> Absolutely.
(07:24) >> Because like the like I said, you know, you go for a coffee, and the choices are mind-boggling, right? It's it's crazy. Uh you can just get like, oh my god, what do I do now? Um >> And you see what happens is it it promotes overconsumption. >> Mhm. >> So, you go for coffee, you get one coffee, and then someone tells you that is better, so you go again.
(07:46) When you don't need it. Same thing with buying. I mean, we buy so many things that we don't need and we never use. So, if you grow spiritually, then that's the perfect combination. Spiritually you're developed and you have the best that the world has to offer. So, you choose what you want. >> Yeah. You know, one of the things that really struck me is Swami Vivekananda's quote where he talks about simple living and high thinking.
(08:18) Um uh Like, can you help us understand what exactly he meant by that? I I know it's like it's a fairly straightforward statement, but what does it mean for us from a day-to-day point of view and from a spiritual perspective? >> See, it is what you think of, what occupies the mind. If you are focused on material things, and then you complicate life because you want too much of the world, you don't have enough, and then you know, you get caught in what they call as moha jalad.
(08:49) The delusion. The kind of web of delusion you get caught in. And there's no end to it. Whereas what he's saying is simplify your your material needs. And once you focus shifts to emotional, intellectual, spiritual, as high as you go, naturally your needs go down. You see that. You see professors in university, their minds are you know, they're brilliant.
(09:24) And their contribution to society is immense, but their needs are very minimal. So, they're not looking at a guy who's earning millions of dollars. It doesn't uh make a difference to him. He's happy where he is. So, that's what happens is high thinking if you have your living automatically becomes minimalistic.
(09:48) Simple living is not that you force yourself to have less. >> Mhm. >> It's a natural consequence of your growth to the higher. So, you're happy with simple things, organized well, and you have Actually, a person like that has has everything that is needed to live a comfortable life. You know, he has a table on which to work on.
(10:10) He has stationery. He has everything. You go to sometimes a luxurious home. There is no place to sit and work or study for the children. How are they going to You have to make it conducive for study, right? Or anything that you want to achieve. There is It's so cluttered, you can't do anything there. And it actually disturbs your mind to see so much clutter.
(10:37) So, that's the thing. It's a natural consequence. You begin with high thinking, and then it naturally translates into simple living. But nowadays, what is happening is people start with simple living. And then they get frustrated because they have the desires. Whereas if you move up in your thinking, your desires naturally go down, and you need less of them.
(11:04) >> I mean, it's like you're trying to if you have a plant, it's like you're trying to prune the the the leaves and you know, just what like pay attention to the stem and the leaves. When what you really need to do is water the like take care of the roots, and automatically the rest of the um you know, plant will thrive.
(11:24) >> Exactly. >> Um I guess it's the same way with uh spiritual progress. Simplicity is a consequence of that by default, >> Yes. >> Uh but the converse may not necessarily be true like you said. >> I may try and simplify my life, but if we have desires that are bubbling within us, we'll end up frustrated. >> Absolutely.
(11:45) >> You know, given now that we understand that simplicity is very fundamental to spiritual progress, right? How can we work to simplify our lives? >> Yes. Uh see, we must uh prioritize our desires. So, what is it that I want most? For instance, if you take a look at sports persons, Kobe Bryant woke up at 4:00 a.m.
(12:11) every day. >> Yeah. >> Right? So, another guy gives an example of his opponent. He was playing against him once. And he said, "I'm going to get the better of him. I'll go uh to the gym at 7:30 to work out." By the time he goes there at 7:30, Kobe Bryant has finished his uh exercise. You know, it's like that.
(12:33) Uh Virat Kohli uh just stopped his eating, you know, Delhi food, which is all very uh very tasty, but uh not good for the health. So, I heard him somewhere say, "I just eat boiled food." Uh like this, Michael Phelps for instance. For years together, he followed a certain routine. Now, what happens there is when you have a goal, and you fix that goal for yourself, in order to excel in that, you have to do certain things.
(13:06) So, if that desire is most important to you, then lesser desires automatically go. But if you don't have that, and you don't prioritize, then you're wasting your time in eating food or lazing around or whatever. That we don't do. And therefore, we don't achieve the best that uh we don't tap into our potential. And then it leads to a frustrating life because see how the more you indulge later on in life, the less you can enjoy.
(13:36) I met someone yesterday who said he's on two blood thinners. He's gone through heart surgery. So all that he likes he's he can't have. And he's not that old. So that's what happens. Whereas if you lead uh if you prioritize your desires and you say, "Okay, this is what I want for which I will happily give up everything else.
(13:59) " Then you don't feel frustrated because you're fulfilled at the higher level. And your life it becomes organized. >> Many times uh the externals are a reflection of the internals, right? Like you said, when you go to a uh cluttered home, it can be a reflection of what is going on in the mind.
(14:23) In the same way, when you when we see an unhealthy body, it can be that there is an unhealthy mind at the the root of it, right? >> It is usually. >> Yeah. >> Because mental agitations uh stress manifests in the body as ill health. >> Mhm. >> So your physiological activities go haywire resulting in ill health. So a healthy mind usually has a healthy body.
(14:50) >> Yeah. And I think like one really nice example of someone who had it all and yet lived uh a life of simplicity is King Janaka, right? >> Absolutely. >> Uh someone who was spiritually evolved, um had it all. Uh he had all the pleasures of the world, but was never swayed by it because he was rooted in spirituality, isn't it? And and there's this story about uh a beggar actually who approached King Janaka and he said, you know, "How did you become spiritual?" And then King Janaka gives his advice.
(15:32) And then what happens is that something happens to the beggar's belongings. It's literally one one bag of clothes and belongings. And that gets lost and then this the beggar's all at sea, you know, so like you said, it's not a function of how much you have, but it's the mental attachment to it that will decide, you know, whether we're able to really live a life of simplicity or not, right? >> And the value you place on it.
(16:02) >> Exactly. >> So there's another story of King Janaka. >> [clears throat] >> His guru was Ashtavakra. >> Yeah. >> So Janaka had organized Ashtavakra's lectures in the city. It was a little further away from the city. And it would start on time. And Janaka also would go there on time. On the odd occasion when he had some urgent work, he would be late.
(16:26) And Ashtavakra would wait for Janaka to come. So the citizens started gossiping that oh, he's giving priority to the king. So Ashtavakra decided to teach them a lesson. By his yoga shakti, he started a fire in the city. And all the citizens rushed to gather their belongings. And then they realized there's really no fire. So when they came back, they saw to their amazement the lecture continuing and only one person in the audience, Janaka.
(16:58) Although he was a king and he owned so much, he had so much property and stuff, he did not move. And it's not as if he didn't know that he thought that there was a fire. So that indicates the value that you place on material things. So the best thing to best situation which has been uh uh conceived of and promoted in India is the concept of Raja Rishis where you are saintly within and kingly without.
(17:31) So that kingly without is a natural consequence of your spiritual development. >> Yeah. And you know one of the quotes I read when it comes to regard one of the quotes I read regarding simplicity is you need to notice what it takes to lose your peace. >> Mhm. >> I think that's that's such a powerful statement because there's so many things that you know trigger us, set us off.
(17:59) And uh it's a sign that you know there's a lot for us to work with work at uh if if we see that many things every day are setting us off then there's there's some introspection and work required. >> Yes. So you see one of the things about modern life is that uh the mind is over stimulated. >> Mhm. All the time. >> All the time.
(18:26) So it's never given a chance to just be quiet. I remember my college days for instance. I used to we used to go home from college and we'd just sit. We were by the sea. I would sit in the balcony and just gaze out into the sea. I don't know what I thought of. But I think these moments are necessary for every child's upbringing or anyone, even an adult, which we don't give ourselves.
(18:52) >> Because of the because of the mobile phone and social media. >> You know like you take a train journey for instance. We would sit quietly looking at the scenery. >> Everyone's looking down now. >> Yes. Or you have these ear plugs on. Something there's some stimulation or the other.
(19:12) And there all that makes for lack of contentment. >> Mhm. So there's you know I've never given a chance. >> Yeah. So there's this concept of minimalism, right? Which is where you live with less. And simplicity. And are they correlated? Like how how do we see minimalism and simplicity? >> See both I think express themselves externally as the same. Minimalistic and simplicity.
(19:48) But it has to stem from a mental independence of the world. You know? And so if you're clear in your mind, you have a goal that you're working towards, a higher goal. You know very clearly what desires you have, which desires you need to fulfill, which desires you can sublimate through knowledge. And you are clear, you have your in your mind is clear.
(20:20) Then there's no confusion. So naturally everything you do will be simple and minimalistic. So you will restrict yourself to only those things that you require. And there you're generous with yourself. So there's no question of you know this what they call as Brahmanical uh austerity. Which is completely wrong. So you find and in fact it's given Brahmins a wrong name, a bad name.
(20:54) The concept of Brahmanism. The concept of Brahmanism is satwik. So when you're satwik, you're clear in your mind what you want, your needs are few, you make sure you get what you want. But your entire being is consumed by higher thought. >> Right. >> So, you're simple, you're minimalistic. But, that has now deteriorated into miserliness.
(21:17) It's a disgusting um approach to life where you say, "I will have less and I will make sure others also have less." That kind of uh negative mentality. >> Mhm. >> So, we should always be uh large-hearted with others, even with ourselves. Where you feel you need it, uh you can splurge. >> Yeah. >> But, if you don't need it, then it becomes of nuisance value to you.
(21:46) You know, it's like you don't need a gadget and you have it in the house. It's It's It's garbage to you. >> Yeah, and you know, I feel like the more you own, the more you are also owned by those very same possessions, right? It's like if you have a luxury car, every little scratch feels like a graze on your own skin.
(22:08) Um so, it becomes It becomes rather than a source of joy I'm just giving an example. It need not be that way. But, uh it becomes a source of stress than enjoyment. >> Yes. >> After spending a whole lot of money, right? >> and there are so many ramifications of having a lot. Because you have to earn that much more to sustain that kind of lifestyle.
(22:28) >> And maintain things. >> Yeah. And it's a It's a burden on your mind. Where if you don't need it, you just move away from it. >> No, and what what happens is when um you become free from when you're not focusing on the more physical or material things, it o- it frees up energy to focus on the thing that is important to to us.
(22:52) >> Absolutely. See, that is the >> it's spiritual or intellectual, whatever that pursuit may be, right? >> That's the most important thing. >> If my If my mind is like full of like, "Oh, what should I wear today? What shoes will the shoes match with the shirt or is my hair too gray or is it too like long or is it too short? Then where will I ever have time for uh focusing on something higher or something meaningful, right? >> That's the thing.
(23:20) So, that's why what they recommend is in growth, not necessarily spiritual growth of any kind, there has to be a little bit of withdrawal from the world. >> Mhm. >> And you supplement it with higher knowledge. >> Yeah. >> Just a little so that at no stage are you frustrated. >> Mhm. >> And then you as you go to the higher level, you're able to withdraw a little more.
(23:42) And this withdrawal is not physical, it's mental. The physical is an outcome of mental withdrawal. And if you understand it like that, then it's not a frustrating thing. And even when you see someone live a life like that, it's so attractive. It's so appealing because you say he's free from so many things. >> Yeah.
(24:05) Um some really powerful thoughts um and with that we'll resume our study of the Gita. We're on the last three verses of chapter three. Um so, we'll shall we begin with the invocation? So, we listen to the chant of verse 41.
(25:06) >> [music] [singing] [music] [singing] >> So, in verse 41, Lord Krishna says, "Therefore, first control the senses, oh Bharatarshabha, bull of the Bharatas, slay this sinful destroyer of knowledge and wisdom." So, what is he talking about here now? >> He's speaking of desire. >> Okay. >> So, he has this is one of the last verses where he's talking of desire being your enemy.
(25:47) >> Yeah. >> And here he uses a very powerful things, destroyer of both knowledge and wisdom. >> Yeah. >> So, if you have no control over your desires, it's desire per se is not bad. But when it metamorphoses into its more dangerous forms like greed, obsession, so on and so forth, it destroys you. Anger. You know? So, he says it destroys both knowledge and wisdom.
(26:17) So, even a wise person falls for something or develops a weakness for a for a particular thing, and it destroys his personality. It could be alcohol, it could be relationship. It could be anything. And then the Therefore, control of the desire starts with the lowest, which is the senses. That's the hierarchy he gives later.
(26:43) So, first control the senses. And you see this in all achievers. You want to succeed in any field, if you just want to make money, you have to to have sense control. You have to have some discipline. Now, if you're departing till 4:00, what work are you going to do the next day? >> Impossible. >> The sense objects have a magnetic pull.
(27:06) Our sense organs have a push from within. Like the eyes go to a sight, so on and so forth. In the midst of that, if the intellect is not alert, you're finished. You fall at the very first thing. >> Yes. So, the question all of us uh need to ask ourselves is, am I going to sink in the quicksand of desire or stand up to it and become happy? And he's highlighting that here.
(27:35) >> We'll chant verse 42 now. >> [music and singing] [music] [singing] >> In verse 42, Lord Krishna says, "The senses are proclaimed as great. The mind is superior to the senses. The intellect superior to the mind. And superior to the intellect is he, Atman." >> Yeah, so now once you decide that you're going to tackle desire,
(28:19) you need to know the location and the hierarchy. So, location is given earlier. Hierarchy is senses lowest, then the mind, then the intellect, then Atman, he. Now, if we experience that for ourselves, like suppose I were to give you your favorite chocolate, and you say, "Thank you, but you don't eat it." And your friend asks you, "Why aren't you eating it?" You say, "I'm taking it home for my daughter.
(28:50) " You take it home. It's one chocolate. Your daughter eats it without offering you a bite. Do you feel deprived? You're beaming with joy because the emotional joy of seeing your daughter enjoy the chocolate is much greater than the physical >> The sensory joy, yeah. >> of eating it. Then you go a step further.
(29:11) Someone who has an intellectual ideal, like maybe to get a PhD or something, rises above both physical and emotional. >> Mhm. >> And commits herself to like 6 years of grueling hard work just to get a PhD. Why? Because it is obviously more uh fulfilling than physical and emotional. And the highest is spiritual. Once you get that, once the spiritual bug bites you, everything else becomes so insignificant.
(29:44) Cuz you understand it's temporary. It comes and goes and uh it's so limited in the joy content that it gives you compared to the spiritual. So you easily say no to it. Like Nachiketa just turned his head away. It didn't even tempt him. No. Um so there are many examples like this of people who have opted for spiritual fulfillment and just said no to the world.
(30:13) So that's the hierarchy. If you want to get over a lower desire, first of all, we must understand you cannot get rid of desires. You can only pick a higher desire. >> Yeah. >> Which you've done. >> You can't shut it down or just sensory or just sense control, right? >> You can't. That only leads to frustration.
(30:31) >> Shloka verse 43. >> Yes. >> Evam buddhe param buddhva samstabhyatmanam [music] [singing] atmana >> [music] >> In verse 43, he says, "Thus, oh Mahabaho, mighty armed one, having known that which is superior to the intellect, having controlled the self mind by the self intellect, slay the unconquerable enemy in the form of desire." So, this is the last verse
(31:16) of chapter three. >> This is a highly inspiring verse where he blends psychology with philosophy. Cuz he's speaking to Arjuna warrior. >> Mhm. >> So, first of all, he says Mahabaho. He doesn't say Kaunteya. Mahabaho, you're mighty armed, you're a strong man. How can you succumb to desire? You So, that uh puts a warrior up.
(31:37) You talk to an ordinary person, he says, "I'm not Mahabaho." So, that psychology is there. >> But in a sense, he's also awakening us to our own potential, right? When he says that, he's speaking to all of us at the same time. >> He's speaking to all of us because we have the capacity. >> Exactly. >> Uh no other creature has the capacity except us.
(31:59) And what are we doing? We are hopelessly succumbing to desire. You know, without any fight whatsoever. >> Mhm. >> So, he says, "Slay this sinful enemy." Again, he he uses enemy, shatru, which just uh takes ruins you. In the form of this this enemy in the form of desire. So, when he says enemy, you tend to look outward. >> Yep. >> It says, "It's within you.
(32:27) " In the form of desire. Very difficult to conquer. So, it's he's kind of um provoking us by using all these words. And it's a final verse he's he's told everything. He's just summarizing it here. But now the takeaway from us is we are living in a world which runs on desire. Desire is the fuel that that on which the economies of the world run.
(32:55) And we must understand that desire is what ruins us. So every desire that pops up in the mind must be examined. Is this something I need to fulfill? And if you feel yes, if your intellect says yes, then go ahead and fulfill it. So it's not suppression. But if for any reason the intellect says no, then there's a word of caution there. Wait.
(33:23) What? A very useful tip is press the pause button on a desire. Like don't immediately go and fulfill it. If you press the pause button, then you'll say it's okay, I can do without it. And there are so many desires like that. Um on impulse you feel I want this. Um you don't need to act on it. So there are various methods of dealing with desire which have been spelled out in the third chapter.
(33:54) And there are some tips which immediately you can put into practice like this. >> Yeah. >> Press the pause button. Ask yourself, do I really need it? Um and then if you can live without it, live without it for a while. So and then that gives you peace of mind. And when you gain that peace, you say okay, that same thing I can do with other desires.
(34:17) And pick a higher desire. That's the most important. See, this is the thing where the modern generation unfortunately has not been exposed. In the past, from childhood onwards, they were exposed to some form of spirituality. Either in the home or collectively or somewhere. A visit to a temple once a week, a bhajan being sung or a prayer being repeated.
(34:46) I remember my entire generation when we went to our grandparents home, there was a strict rule. If you don't do morning prarthana, means prayer, and you don't do Surya Namaskar, you don't get breakfast. Now, it wasn't imposed, but we were told that, so we did it. Evening we would have bhajan, you know, some element of spiritual input.
(35:12) Also, there was a very strong feeling of duty, of responsibility, of the extended family, which gave us joy, of community, which gave that bonding, gave emotional security. All that is missing now. That is why loneliness is increasing. And all this So, you want to substitute it with material things, it doesn't work.
(35:41) >> Yeah, social media, like fake the relationships that don't even exist, right? >> Forget that. Childhood on A parent thinks that time spent with the child can be substituted with an expensive gift. It cannot. Or the love or affection that you give the child, that's all that the child needs. And if you don't give that, and you [clears throat] give other things, uh it's the child grows up thinking it's all material.
(36:13) Which is what is happening nowadays. Like the other day I I visited a home and I I wanted to take a toy for the He said, "He's full of toys. He's got every toy in the whole in the world." So, what do you give? >> Okay, great. So, we've now come towards the end of today's show. Are there some key takeaways that you'd like to leave us with? >> Yes, we started by talking about this minimalistic >> Simplicity, yeah.
(36:42) >> simplicity of Swami Vivekananda saying that simple living and high thinking. And that's a very important concept that must be taught to people. We must inculcate it in ourselves. Just try and simplify our lives. And also, what is important is the mind should become minimalistic, not not the environment. >> Correct.
(37:04) >> And then we moved on to the verses which speak of controlling the senses, which is very, very important. And then desire itself, there's a hierarchy. So, you pick up the higher and you gain freedom from the lower. And the last verse which speaks of desire as shatru, enemy. And we need to think about it because, you know, you go out and everyone is trying even if you don't have a desire, they're trying to provoke you into wanting something or the other.
(37:34) >> Yeah. >> And if you don't uh pull back, you're going to fall prey to all of this. >> Yeah. So, with that we've completed our study of chapter three. Shall we uh as the tradition goes, shall we repeat the chant of verse one of chapter three? >> Sure. >> Yeah. >> [singing] [music] [music] [singing] [singing] >> Okay, so that's uh
(38:19) that's when we come to the end of today's show now and uh we hope that you've enjoyed this journey through chapter three together with us. Uh as always, if you have any questions, uh thoughts, ideas, suggestions, please do share them in the comments because the next uh episode of the show will be a listener special where we will be taking up your questions. So, definitely do chime in.
(38:45) Um yeah, I mean I think we're done for today, so have a have a great week ahead and we'll see you on the other side. Bye. See you.