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(00:00) 99% of the food we are consuming today is adulterated. If you have two micrograms of lead in 100 ml of blood, it can cause cancer. One of the major source of lead turmeric powder. When you pluck turmeric, put it in huge vessels coated with the tin and boil boil boil in boiling water. This container in which they were boiling were adulterated with lead.
(00:26) Let got into I was surprised and shocked to find 1.3 million metric tons of lead is required in our country. Even one lead in the toothpaste can remove 1,000 calcium. >> Oh my god. >> Toothpaste is white from some of the calcium salts from along with lead. >> I have heard the highest amount of microlastic exposure is because of the toothbrush.
(00:45) >> They contain lead because of coloring agent used to give you colorful toothbrush. I still remember some worms were there in the vegetable. It was safe because worms were alive. Today there are no worms vegetable. Today they use so much of ura, pesticide, insecticide. The soil has no earthworm. >> You told me nine out of 10 diialysis patients died their head.
(01:05) >> They have died and then their kidney got damaged. I saw one very pretty girl. She said uncle what do you want? And I [music] started talking to her and look my dear this contains lead. Lead can get absorbed in your skin. She said thank you uncle for your gan. Some several months later I got a call from emergency medicine there's an endstage renal failure I went there this person very familiar face lying on the bed suddenly she looked at me uncle you are the one who told me in that mall not to dye my hair don't want to die uncle pleading I
(01:35) don't want to die only that day I was emotional even today I am emotional just two weeks ago [music] how many millions of tons of fireworks the white sparkle is Dr. Tupel Bankesh, fondly known as the lead man of India, is a scientist, teacher and an environmental health reformer.
(01:58) A key architect behind India's lead free revolution, he led the national movement that eliminated lead from petrol in 2000 and set safety standards for lead in paints, saving millions from this harmful exposure. currently director of the national referral center for lead projects in India. He also heads the foundation for quality India. >> Did you paint your child's bedroom with some color paint? You know that paint contains this amount of lead leeches out. It comes out inhale the powder.
(02:25) >> I learned that ka kajal has the highest concentration of lead followed by surma kum synindur and henna powders. Even henna is a problem. >> Aluminium naturally contains lead. If you keep water in aluminum vessel and put a stethoscope and listen, you get a hissing noise. If you carefully observe, there will be bubbles coming out.
(02:46) >> And why is a filters a problem? >> It removes everything. Calcium, magnesium, zinc, iron, nine diseases out of 10 is from our water only. When you continue to drink this, it takes minerals from the body. As a result, when you go to chopati, you buy balpuri, >> samosa also, >> the newspaper ink contains like that leeches into this. My god.
(03:10) With over 350 publications, global recognitions from UNIDO, WHO and UNESCO, and honors including the Aryabad Award and the CA lifetime achievement award. Dr. Wenites's legacy lies in turning science into social transformation. We're deeply honored to welcome him for the very first time on the body to being podcast. Dr. Tupil Wenites.
(03:32) >> We screen more than 23,000 people for next four five years. Shocking data. We had 53.5% of children below 12 years in India in seven metros had their blood lead level very high as a result IQ comes down at the time I said if Einstein were to be born in India he would not have gotten over price my sister used to wear bindi she developed some skin problem after that >> today we're not just interviewing a guest we're interviewing a legend and from what he's about to share I promise you will not only blow your mind, but
(04:08) will move you in ways that you will never forget. So, from the toothpastes to the utensils to the paint on our walls to the toys in our children's hands to the food that we eat, poison is slowly entering our lives in ways we don't realize. And it's not just a chemical. It is a neurotoxin which is silently damaging your brain, damaging your kidneys, lowering your IQs, and is killing you.
(04:34) Today we're going to be uncovering this hidden wheelin that is responsible for damaging millions of lives worldwide. Yet no one really talks about it. You know there are very few podcasts that transform me at my most fundamental being and this is one such podcast. So I truly urge you from the bottom of my heart to share this video because awareness on this issue can really save lives.
(05:00) >> Namaskarum Dr. Tupil. Namaskarum. How did you get this word namaskarum from Tamil Nadu? >> So I'm associated with the Isha Foundation in some way. Uh I'm a follower of Sguru. Uh so uh you know my indoctrination asamatam and sir it's been such a it's an honor and a pleasure first off. >> No no no not at all but it's a huge honor and a pleasure to be interviewing the lead man of India.
(05:26) So thank you so much and I've been so looking forward for this conversation and I think it's going to change and transform a lot of mindsets today and I think things that we don't know of. So uh I want to begin by asking you sir uh what are some of the hidden villains in our everyday lives? You know we would be using them from morning to night.
(05:45) We would be using them every day thinking they are safe believing they are harmless but actually they are not. >> You are asking a million dollar question to answer this. First let me look at how much of lead is used in this country annually for various purposes though 80% goes into lead acid battery these batteries have a life they get recycled how much of lead which is number one environmental toxin or I don't want to call it as a poison environmental toxin there's a difference between toxic and poison poison kills immediately toxin
(06:20) will not give you I was searching I was surprised and shocked to find it is anywhere between 1.3 million metric tons of lead. 1.3 million metric tons of lead is required in our country. We don't have lead mines. We recycle lead. If we had lead mines, it would have been a different story. We recycle available lead to the last milligram we recycle.
(06:50) Very little lead is extracted from nature. Now where is it used from morning till evening? >> Sir I had a few questions morning to evening >> we'll go into the details. >> Sure we'll go to the details now. Okay. You told me first is toothbrush. >> Toothpaste. >> Toothpaste. Even toothbrush right plastic materials then that may not harm that much but paste right from our first activity of brushing the teeth.
(07:14) Lead we are getting exposed to lead. Longer we brush the teeth it effect is more because most of the toothpaste all over the world contains lead all over the world I don't know there might be few toothpaste which may not have lead and this is used directly on calcium that is teeth the teeth is coated with dentine is coated with calcium lead removes calcium more and more we brush more and more we use the decay tooth decay is a common thing >> enamel >> yes yes yes >> ah but I have heard sir that uh the highest amount of microplastic exposures
(08:02) is because of the toothbrush so toothbrush is also bad in a sense right but there there might not be lead issues in the toothbrush >> they may they contain lead because of coloring agent used to give you colorful toothbrush contains lead that may not leech out >> okay >> unlike in toothpaste paste. >> Okay. >> Toothpaste.
(08:19) >> Yeah. >> Lead is there. >> Yeah. >> It may be negligible amount. >> Okay. >> Even one lead in the toothpaste can remove 1,000 calcium. >> Oh my god. >> That is the danger. >> Oh, >> that's why we are concerned about that. >> So, so why do they put lead in the toothpaste? >> See, it is not that they put lead.
(08:38) The whitening agent toothpaste is white except some streaks of color. Toothpaste invariably is white. Where does it come from? It comes from some of the calcium salts or that calcium salts come along with lead. Even for osteoporitic patients when they were giving calcium sandos calcium that contained lead because they take seaells to powder it and use it and seaells wherever they were using fisherman net with leaded balls to sink it that was contributing to the water and that water was giving to rise to the sea shells containing
(09:13) lead. That means lead we are using knowingly or unknowingly whether it's hair dye it's eyeliner a t the lead balls in a fisherman net or whether it's in the toothpaste whether it's in the plate where you know plates are made of melamine or coated plates coated tawa and pressure cooker so many utensils very colorful very good-looking uh you know mai what we buy in the shop there silver foil the money you pay you get silver Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
(09:43) >> Silver is 120 1.2 L per kg. Correct. Correct. Can we get >> Yeah. >> It's all plastic. It's a plastic and some metals including lead. >> We thin very thin. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maharajas probably were using gold and silver sheets. You know every day every activity without our knowledge we are getting exposed to lead >> for toothpaste.
(10:17) Sir what solution can you give to the viewers? What can we use if not a regular toothpaste? What is an option to use a leadless toothpaste? >> Have we demanded lead free toothpaste? Have we demanded on the toothpaste box they should put the amount of lead how much it contains? Have we? No, we have not demanded.
(10:38) No, we don't get one of the major source of lead through food is our supposed to protect our health. Turmeric powder. >> Yeah. >> Medicine. You know our kitchen is like a pharmacy. >> Correct. In Ayurveda they say that >> Ayurveda is a great great medicine. I tell you it is a herbal medicinal practices for last 5,000 years. Ioda is the safest among all medicines.
(11:01) Turmeric powder is used in sambar powder, rasam powder, chicken masala, that masala, this masala. This turmeric powder to make that powder, the turmeric root should be hard. It's soft actually. When you pluck turmeric from the ground, it's under it grows under the ground. It's soft. You can't powder it. It become paste.
(11:18) >> Correct. Correct. Correct. >> What they do? They put it in huge vessels >> coated with the tin. >> Uhhuh. and boil, boil, boil in boiling water till all the water comes out of the turmeric and then they sun dry it. It becomes powder. They mil it milling milling. Then they get turmeric powder. What happened? This container in which they were boiling the tin is very expensive. They were treated with lead.
(11:42) Lead got into turmeric. >> Oh, >> turmeric powder got lead. That's why in in Orisa some of the tribals in the Oisa I go and buy turmeric from them. They collect turmeric from the forest and they prepare fantastic zero lead. Bangladesh is the only country which I know has banned lead chromate getting into turmeric powder.
(12:07) Lead chromate has color weight and protects and increases the shelf life of turmeric powder. >> Okay, >> there is another source. There are food grade dyes. There are toxic dyes. This these a toxic substance you know the lead chromate this is going into intestine gets absorbed the third root is from the cosmetics hair dye to other cosmetics directly absorbed by the skin goes to again kidney I'll give you an old man quietly sitting in his room or goes to barber shop and gets his hair dyed I asked that man are you dying or dying hair dye Every hair dye contains lead.
(12:47) If you don't use lead in the hair dye, the hair will be like the corn she is auh reddish brown color. The moment you add that jet black change the proportion, different shade, different colors. If you go to any hospital diialysis patients who have lost kidney function, they have painted their hair several times because of makeup.
(13:14) You yeah you told me nine out of 10 diialysis pat around eight nine out of 10 in some places I have found dyed their hair >> diialysis patients dyed their head >> they have died and then the kidney got damage then came become diialysis patients. >> Uhhuh. >> It's not the diialysis patients dying their hair.
(13:29) They have died even much before. >> Correct. Correct. You know sir talking about kidney I was telling you over the phone also I lost an aunt from kidney problems. I lost a friend who's one year younger to me from kidney problems. My cousin sister's husband's both kidneys have failed and the person in one person in my team under goes regular diialysis.
(13:47) He's some 38 39 years old. So I am amazed to see the kind of kidney problems that people are having these days. Do you think it is because of lead primarily? >> I'll tell you one incident which I told you that day when I was talking to you >> about a young girl uh in a mall called Forum Mall in Korangla very close to St.
(14:08) John's Medical College Hospital where I was working. One day I went to mall to buy some electronic some part maybe charger or something. I saw one very pretty girl standing. I looked at her very attractive girl. I went round and round looking at her from different angles. She was getting embarrassed.
(14:28) Why this old man is looking at me like that? I'm smiling. Finally she could not control. She said uncle what do you want? I said you are beautiful. Thank you uncle. She said no no no dear. I asked what is your name? She gave me some told me some name I forgot. I said um you are why I'm seeing you from different angle not you. I'm looking at your hair from this side it's purple that side is greenish from that side different color you know it has different shades.
(14:55) What did you do? I knew what she had done. She said she had applied some uh >> hair color >> hair dye something like that very expensive one brand also she told me some L'Oreal or some brand. Then I started talking to her and look my dear I know something about lead. This contains lead. Lead can get absorbed in your skin.
(15:16) May go to different organs like liver, kidney, brain and brain. It may not go because we cannot further develop brain. It is not going to matter. But if it goes to kidney, it will damage the kidney. She said thank you uncle for your gan. I came back. Some several months later I got a call from emergency medicine and they called me sir there's one endstage renal failure ESRD endstage renal disease like what happened probably to your friend I went there this person very familiar face lying on the bed that time she was looking different now she's looking
(15:51) different suddenly she looked at me uncle you are the one who told me in that mall not to dye my hair I did not know what to Sir uncle she can I hold your hand I gave a hand I don't want to die uncle bleeding I don't want to die I want to live I said don't worry our people will do whatever best they can you're on diialysis next day I learned she was no more how I would have felt not only that day I was emotional even today I am emotional How many millions and millions of our daughters and granddaughters are dying though unknowingly damaging
(16:38) themselves makeup materials. Why makeup? If there's a shortage of marks in the school, principal will make up, teachers will make up, shortage of attendance, they will make up. Makeup is whenever there's a shortage. But is there a shortage of beauty to anybody? Everybody's beautiful.
(16:57) Let them stand in front of the mirror. Somebody tell me I'm not beautiful. I'm ugly. Everybody is beautiful. God created nature created all of us to look different. If all of them were same looking, it would have been a boring thing, you know. Therefore the makeup materials should not be used actually by >> you know sir in one study speaking of makeup I learned that ka kajal has the highest concentration of lead and Pakistani kajal has the highest Pakistani kajal is supposed to be very good.
(17:30) I remember growing up in school we used to all love applying Pakistani kajal but that has the highest concentration of lead followed by surma kum sindur and henna powders even henna is a problem >> henna is a plant product it has no lead >> okay >> if you use henna >> your hair will be something like wood color >> to make your hair a little darker shiny lead acetate in that it may go up to even 3.
(18:04) 5% lead acetate in >> okay >> henna you have seen some very religious Muslims >> yeah yeah yeah yeah >> they have they are daddy what the color >> orange that is [snorts] ha >> pure ha >> okay >> okay forget about that when you have you applied that uh what do you call that >> mahindi mahindi mahi yeah >> mi is ha >> I have seen >> black no it should not become black it should be reddish pinkish Mahindi should be pinkish not black.
(18:31) That means no lead. If they add lead that becomes black that contains lead. We have what is called surma. That eyeliner you know sura. You must have heard about sura. Yes. >> You might have used surma. Yes. >> Surma is lead and antimony. >> And it is said that surma is good for the eyes.
(18:48) Apparently that's what we been told. >> The seller market man will tell you you look beautiful if you I tell you we don't need these things to project ourselves. >> Yeah. I was in Pakistan. I went to Pakistan in connection with global warming and lead and things like then I interacted with many media people and said this is the problem.
(19:07) It is not Pakistani mean this one eyeliner it's again Punjabi before independence also it was there but Muslims were using it both for men and boys and girls this one even today small Muslim boys you know >> they look so cute because of this uh eyeliner they put >> yeah yeah yeah correct correct >> then I said I tell you they took action and they have banned surma in Pakistan In many places you don't get sura.
(19:40) Maybe at home if they prepare and use it doesn't them they are also like you and me you know they want to protect their children. >> Yes. Okay. But kajel we prepare at home is fine. >> Kajal is from a flower uh white color flour what they do the latex of the flower they heat it it become black suit that they use it as kajel.
(20:01) There's no problem. But kajel what you get in the market you may not be safe if you prepare it at home anything you prepare it at home you will not use toxic substances but whatever you buy they sell it for money and what you buy for money may not be safe >> henna powders pure henna powders should be orange and they not a problem make it at home okay >> you grow one henna tree >> okay >> yes so many up lno every house has this >> sir aluminium utensils you spoke about I want to understand the utensils in a bit of a detail
(20:32) Through a research we found out that aluminium can leech up to 100 to 300 micro g >> per liter of >> lead into food. >> Aluminium leeches out lead. This is a very well established published maybe more or less. Why I tell you aluminium naturally contains lead in the war. Aluminium boxite a war galina is a war for lead wherever you find zinc lead you find aluminium oxide also there's a crosscontamination is always there aluminum vessels which is used by poor people to make for marriage house when they make biryani and palam and all that
(21:19) they use this aluminum vessel when they heat it if this acidic it depends upon the pH the acidity alkaline ity of the water in which they cook. The leeching also varies. If you keep water in aluminum vessel and put a stethoscope and listen, you get a hissing noise. If you carefully observe, there will be bubbles coming out.
(21:40) It like works like a electrolysis, lead aluminium. Electrolysis. Now aluminum has changed its costume. It has become indalium, hindalium and all that. Even this hindalium, indium is banned in America. what is manufactured in India by big companies are banned. They found a lot of lead in that. It came in all the papers.
(22:01) Therefore, aluminium in any form contributes to leeching of lead into water or food or whatever it is is very well established. The pressure cooker, pans, uh other cooking utensils are all containing very high amount of lead because they're all aluminium based, zinc based. Zinc, lead is part of zinc. It comes as a byproduct in zinc industry. India lead zinc in Rajasthan.
(22:32) They produce lot of zinc. Lead is a byproduct. That's one of the sources of lead zinc mine. Now we don't have that many lead mine. We don't have all are exhausted. We are getting from the zinc mine lead as the byproduct. What is the solution? What is the best? >> Yeah. >> Is stainless steel. >> Okay. >> Is alternative.
(22:54) Are your wooden parts safe? >> Okay. >> But what do you call that? >> Mud pot. >> Mud pot. >> Mud. Yeah. >> Mud pot. Drinking tea in that mud pot is safer than drinking tea in the paper cup which is coated with plastic. >> Paper cups are also bad. Paper cup is okay. But if paper cup is coated with plastic inside >> which it is. >> Most paper cups have plastic inside.
(23:16) >> Plastic carbax thing is bad. Bad microplastic. >> Okay. >> Aluminium contributes towards lead toxicity. >> Then the coated disposables is contributing towards microplastics. Maybe one of the incidents that I like to have worms in my food. It has reached about 2 three million people. I don't know whether you saw that >> burns in your food. No.
(23:42) >> Oh, I I need a safe food. I don't want contaminated food with lead and other >> pesticide. Pesticides, insecticides have very high amount of lead. >> And every food has pesticides, insecticides sprayed on them. >> I'll tell you. >> Okay. >> You see when I was a small boy, >> yeah, >> I still remember we used to get vegetables.
(24:04) My mother used to clean remove all the worms. Some worms were there in the vegetables. >> Correct. Correct. >> She used to remove the worm bindi or whatever whatever it is. Rest of the vegetable she used to cook isn't it? >> Yeah. >> It was safe because worms were alive. Today there are no worms in any vegetable. You buy vegetable cut it and put it cook it and eat it because there so much of pesticide insecticides are used.
(24:30) There are no worms. uh when you eat the when worms are not surviving do you think I and you will survive >> ah beautiful yeah >> to your child you should never give that kind of food give that kind of food where there is no pest organic that's what they >> yeah yeah >> organic >> today they use so much of ura pesticide insecticide the soil has no earthworm >> correct yeah >> dig dig dig no earthworm we need earthworm we need these worms insects the control bio control things And you can remove them, clean them.
(25:03) Rice we used to get with some uh black uh mini hippopotamus like thing. And many times after cooking also I used to get I used to remove that. But it was a habit. We got used today >> we get rice in a da. >> Yeah. >> One cockroach somehow slips and falls into that and dies. >> And we we continue to survive insecticide loaded.
(25:30) See this fruits these days earlier days mangoes had shelf life shorter shelf life yes whether dasher or whichever now they have longer shelf life because they're coated apples are coated with wax calcium carbide okay >> used to ripen the fruits faster particularly bananas mangoes >> mangoes which has you know these are all unethical practices for two reasons one knowingly they are doing it unethical unknowingly they are doing it innocence They cannot be innocents or ignorant people.
(26:03) >> Correct. Correct. >> Our life is in their heads. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. >> Therefore we get exposed to lead. This water you gave me >> is a some mineral water is it? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Label is not there. Suppose this because we don't want to advertise any company. >> Sure. Sure. There's no >> I know. I know. I I understand that.
(26:26) Um suppose if this were to be from a particular company doesn't matter on that they print you know >> carbohydrate zero protein zero lipids zero as if they should have all that it will become panaka panak you know juice they say they are 0 0 safe to drink but can they can they say mercury zero lead zero cadmium zero can they not do that I'm more concerned about that if there's some sugar or fat it's not going to kill me if there's some lead cadmium We have mercury in this water.
(26:57) Can they not put it? This is a requirement. >> Lead car. What are the requirements again sir? Just for the viewers. >> There are seven toxic substances who has recommended. >> Can you please name the seven toxic materials one more time? >> Lead, cadmium, mercury, arthic group of pesticides, insecticides, fungicides.
(27:19) >> So we should be checking the label of everything that we consume or use. >> Test it. They can say one declaration this doesn't contain the WH identified toxic substances. Even if it is there below the uh acceptable limit for example lead below 10 ppm there are different elements there are different mercury below 1 ppm >> okay >> and pesticide insecticide there are levels it is below that can they not declare that you know what is happening today people are going in for organic food.
(27:52) >> Yeah. What do we do? We go test the soil where they grow. Test the water what they use. That's it. If water and soil are free from pesticide, insecticide, lead, cadmium mercury, we don't do any more test. >> Oh, >> if lead then if soil and water contains this toxic substances definitely that what the butter fruit or whatever they grow contains that is not organic.
(28:17) Organic is there are three types of food. Natural food, organic food, then chemical food, chemical used food, pesticide, insecticide used food. What is natural food? Go to the forest, pluck some berries, come and use it. Natural, go to the forest, attack on beehive, collect honey, use natural. What is organic? You have a farm, you have bee boxes, 20, 30 of them.
(28:46) You keep that place clean, environment, everything is clean that becomes organic. If you start spraying insecticide, pesticide, fungicide, bacterial side, then it becomes non-organic or chemical food. 99% of the food we are consuming today is chemical food, contaminated, adulterated. We don't know why the incidence of cancer has gone up.
(29:11) >> Second largest cause of death in the world. >> Definitely these are all chemicals, toxic substances. Maybe we are able to detect it and we are able to detect more and more. That's another reason. But how did it happen? How did it come? Lead for example. You know what is 1 kilogram? You can weigh that. You can hold it.
(29:31) If you divide that into thousand parts, each part is 1 g. You can still hold it and feel that 1 g. If you divide that 1 g into thousand parts, equal parts, each part is 1 mg. You cannot feel that 1 mig which is on your hand. You cannot see also 1 mg. Maybe you will be able to see but you may not be able to feel the you take that 1 mg divided you know into thousand equal parts.
(29:59) Each part is micro which you cannot see. If you have two micro g of lead in 100 ml of blood it can bring DNA aberration. It can cause cancer. That is the magnitude. What you cannot see, what you cannot feel, if it is that can bring about deadly diseases. >> But what about herbal toothpaste sir? You know toothpaste which say herbal >> it's very difficult to say the herbal is safe.
(30:27) >> Okay. >> Unless otherwise I know what is its composition why do they call it as herbal? Isn't it? >> Yes. >> The moment they say him water spring water you going from Himalaya spring water. Yeah, you're correct. >> These are all uh >> marketing gimmicks. >> Marketing gimmicks. >> Sir, another insight that I found was that lead stays in the blood for about 30 days and in the bones and the brain for about 20 to 30 years.
(30:57) >> There are three roots for lead to enter our body. What are they? Number one, lead is in the three different forms. Metallic forum, inorganic forum, organic forum. No, no other possibility. What is this metallic lead as a lead itself? When uh we were adding anti-no agent called tetra ethile lead to petrol to prevent engine cracking.
(31:30) Olden days 1940s what time the engines were all aluminum blocks. Sudden change in temperature is to crack the aluminum. sudden when they ignite that time they were adding tetra ethile lead to avoid sudden rise in temperature or heat and to avoid cracking of the engine. This tetraile used to come out as lead particles less than 10 microns in diameter along with petrol.
(31:59) It used to get you know com combustion and it used to come out and people who were going on scooter with the baby behind another car which was using petrol or some other vehicle they were inhaling. >> Yeah. >> Inhaling is breathing. >> Yeah. >> It used to go to lungs from lungs through the blood. It used to go to various organs get deposited like in kidney of course in the brain also.
(32:21) What happened? A pregnant lady when she inhaled that exhaust from vehicle or from electronic industry where the used for soldiering lead soldering fumes she was in where was it going? It was going into her blood when she was pregnant there was no placental barrier. The lead from her blood used to go to the fetus in the womb.
(32:43) That fetus first organ to develop was the brain. Isn't it? And there was no blood brain barrier. child even before it opened it its eyes even before it was born it was already le poison. >> Oh >> one root is inhalation. >> Yeah. >> Second root is injection. We eat we eat food in luckno I tell you near king George medical university I was told there the fellow was selling milk candy at a very reasonable rate.
(33:16) People loved it. Sweet and nice or bright white. What he was using? They found lead oxide sacrine that filter paper or some paper mesh. They used to used to make a paste of that mix all this and give. >> Poor people, children used to enjoy eating that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They >> were getting laid. Uhhuh. >> This is called injection.
(33:44) Now that is injection could we consume where they cook it in a lead containing where lead leech uses into that and that we consume that it goes into the intestine tell me >> 100% preventable you know 100% preventable in daytoday our day I'm talking about only daytoday nothing else I'm not talking about highend research or anything >> dayto-day common man's house >> a rich man will have a generator to have 24 hours power supply common man will have inverter at home.
(34:16) You have inverter at home. >> No. [snorts] >> When power fails, how do you get power? >> There's power backup in the complex. >> There is inverter. >> Okay. >> Power back up is a battery. It gets charged. >> When power fails, it at least makes some lights on and some >> generator. Yeah. Community generator. >> Colony generator. >> Generator.
(34:32) >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You have a community. >> Community. Correct. >> I have inverter at home. Many many of them have this battery stored energy they're using. This inverter has terminals. You don't have battery at home for as a backup for computer for might be there. >> Yeah. >> The the terminals both the terminals negative and posit cathode anode.
(34:57) It forms powder there and your maid will come and sweep with broom and then powder spreads all around. Child will be on the ground with touching. This is another source of lead. That's lead sulfate is another source of lead and of course we have uh these batteries have a life three three years four years then you give it to kabadiala he will come and take and where will it go we are supposed to return it to the place where we purchased the battery he will give you 300 rupees this kabadiala gives you 400 rupees everybody goes to kabaral
(35:29) because he doesn't pay any GST no tax nothing whereas the fellow who buys it from you is accountable he has to produce receipt to produce GST tax we without thinking just for few 100 rupees we give it to somebody we don't know how he is handling he will become backyard smelter there are two types of lead recyclers but in old battery they remove lead recycle use it in new battery 80% of the lead is used in the battery industry another 15% in paint industry blah blah blah and other industries is also one day I was sitting in my department
(36:10) around this time 11:30 12 or 12:30 one young couple they were walking in then I asked my secretary what do they want who are they sir they have come to see you I said call them inside and I knew he knows Hindi catch he gave me one slip which was given to him in the OPD the doctor who examined the baby baby was getting convulsions after convulsions mi you know in Hindi we say mi conversion then uh from the time child was born it must have had 10 12 20 conversions in two months two and a half months time the the doctor in turn asked what are
(36:44) you doing what is the job he said private the doctor did not keep it private he said I'm breaking the battery taking out the lead making pipes for the toilets because it's non-corrosive he said suddenly my the student intern sent him to me maybe let toxic electricity causing this conversion in the baby. He came with the baby.
(37:12) I asked him where where he is working and he said he was working for some company and then he was doing private practice. He was doing very well and he was getting more more batteries to break and make pipe which he had become master the technique. He was skilled worker started earning good money.
(37:28) He went back to Bihar got married and came back. Young lady came with him. She became pregnant. One corner of the room he used to break battery make pipes other corner she used to make d roti chapat you know things like fumes here chapati smell their battery fumes she was pregnant she was inhaling all the lead went into the brain of the baby in the fetus in the womb there's no I told you placental barrier there's no blood brain barrier child was born with impact of blood on the brain conversion then we had to do blood level of the two months baby. I baby looked at me and
(38:05) smiled at me. I took the baby. It was such a cute baby I tell you. Technician came prick on the heel. Baby said no do the heel prick and capillary we take the blood. Baby did not cry looking at me as if I'm going to give everything to the baby on the earth. He and then this man asked I said he wouldn't sit. His wife won't sit.
(38:31) They have no footwear. Poor people. They came walking some long distance. He's asking how much pa they are. He's searching here. Here. I said no. No need to pay any money. Wait. Still he was searching. He asking how much it is. He was very uncomfortable. He wanted to pay. Abi did not collect money. After some time before the report came the child got very powerful convulsion and became still people came examined and said sorry sir when a when a nurse or a doctor say sorry means over everything is over they tried to
(39:08) locate the pulse in the caroted nothing dead baby was dead it was difficult for me to hand over the baby to him nor keep it on the table dead baby the baby which was looking at me. I don't know what hope it had. No more. The baby was no more. Report came. He doesn't know the baby's dead. He's asking report.
(39:31) I said no more problem to your child. The child is not alive. I told him he could not understand. I explained if child were to be aliveong it would have suffered. Then he realized I don't know he told something to his wife she almost collapsed fell down she went to the ground child was no more I went home to have lunch my wife had come from bank she was working in a bank I was mixing rice with the same hand in which I was holding the baby mixing rice with some dal mixing not eating not able to eat she asked what happened are you all
(40:13) right I said I'm fine This is what happened. I lost one female child. He said, she said, "It's over. How long you will remain like that? Eat. My hand is fresh with the baby's skin holding." She asked me, "Are you born to your parents out of choice or by chance?" I ask this question to every viewer. are born to your parents out of choice by or by chance >> chance >> everybody says I'm sure chance some children are born out of choice also the female focide is there they want to get a baby boy that child which died could have been
(40:58) sitting here interviewing me how many millions of children I'm not looking at only that child >> I went to Silchar Assam to do some survey about 20 years ago on the other side of Bangladesh. I went all the way around. Sila there was an airport but still I wanted to go by road by Omega and all that.
(41:21) When I went there I was surprised to see some beads were sold in the shops in a gi bags. I then he said he said lead bead. I said why do you sell this? When the baby female child is one year rich man will put a golden bead around the neck. The poor people put lead bead that lead bead that child will sweet you know lead is sweet start chewing.
(41:47) There are many practices like this. In my own state in coastal area south Canada during dashara festival they paint their body like a tiger and then dance to get some money. >> All the paints they use is loaded with lead gets absorbed. >> Forget about that. Just two weeks ago, how many millions of tons of fireworks used in this country? And white sparkler, you know, white sparkler is lead.
(42:22) >> Okay. >> Green is chromium, >> red is cadmium, white, the white sparkler. >> Yes. >> The flowers like it comes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. >> That is lead. >> Okay. lead aluminium >> absolutely because I I came across the statistics by WH sir that uh in 2021 1.5 million deaths were due to lead >> I'll tell you I was in WHO as a member of the guideline development group for the identification detection and treatment of lead poisoned children and men.
(43:09) We were more concerned about women and children, women at reproductive age and children because they're very vulnerable. Somebody asked me, "Sir, you have done so much. You got unled petrol with a team of workers in the George Foundation." I said, "I did not get it. The George Foundation which got they made me lead man because you are gold, you are diamond, you are somebody [laughter] has to be cheapest metal.
(43:33) I am the cheapest." [clears throat] What happened in 1995? I met one Abraham George Indian who was as to retire early from Indian army because of hearing problem. He could not hear because that blast blast blast he was probably was exposed. He came to a evening dinner with Admiral Dawson myself Abraham Joy. We met you know this ICCR Indian >> Yes.
(44:03) Council of >> Council Cultural they had organized in there. >> Then Admiral Dawson introduced me as the professor and head of the biochemistry department at St. John's. He asked me, "Oh, you are a biochemistry man. Do you know anything about average bloodled level of Bangalore population?" I said, "No, no, no.
(44:20) I know about lead that we teach in the first year or second year. We don't worry about what is the average blood level of Indian population." I asked him why why do you want to know? Then he told me he wanted to his blood lead level. He became deaf and he said lead causes defect in every organ in the body.
(44:40) Some become impotent sterile some become hyperactive. Then he said why don't you do one study? Can you take up a study on measuring blood level of Indian population? I immediately said I can but I need support. I don't have anything you know. I don't have an instrument also. I need support. He said you'll mobilize instruments from Indian friends in America. He mobilized.
(44:59) We started project lead free PLF of the George Foundation TGF. The George Foundation supported project lead free. We screened more than 23,000 people for next four five years and we had the data shocking data. We had not announced till 11th November. What was that data which we had not announced to any media anybody? It was very difficult for me to keep it secret.
(45:24) 53.5% of children below 12 years in India >> in seven metros had their blood lead level very high including Delhi very high here we took Alin Medical Sciences as our center Kolkata we took child child health center in Mumbai we took hospital like that we have seven metros where we measured all the metros said plus or minus this data had unacceptable level of lead in blood more than 10 microgram per deciliter Now it's around 3 microgram.
(45:58) Those days 10 was safe. We believed 10 was safe. As a result, as the blood level goes up, IQ comes down. That the time I said if Einstein were to be born in India, he would not have got no price. I did not get Nobel Prize. Maybe because of my jokingly I said I had only one slide to present. Three minutes was given to me in that 3 minutes with one slide. I said this is a situation 51.
(46:22) 3% of children in all the metros have their blood level about 10 microgram as a result their IQ is reduced by 6 to8 units and this situation continues till 2020 by the time the annual economic damage in this country will be 600,000 crores >> my god >> IQ comes down >> human productivity comes down to do four hours work they take six hours 8 hours >> uh >> I contacted one economist economist gave this data data that's all petroleum ministry was there 37 country representatives were there but all of them said you scientists bring problem
(46:54) to us we want solution I said I have solution do don't add tetraallet to petrol they said we have purchased already some 500,000 tons what to do world bank money we are accountable we cannot bury it in the deserts of Rajasthan what to do with these fools I'm sorry to use that word what to do when we cannot convince them then we went to world bank met vice chair said why do you have dual policy you don't give tetra world bank money to buy tetra it led to UK or US why or Australia why are you giving it to developing countries he said why what
(47:26) is the problem I said this is what is happening the child died then died this died then he said type the letter we typed the letter if developing countries do not introduce unled petrol by 2003 3 years time was given no more world bank loan >> oh okay >> this letter we brought to all the developing countries not only to India it went to our parliament secretary and within 3 months In March 2000, all the petrol banks all over the country had unled petrol.
(47:54) Unled three years, they did not want to wait. If the World Bank money doesn't come >> correct, [laughter] >> shock, >> shock. >> This is how we need to play a politics. >> So, you were the reason that unled >> our team, you know, >> of course, but you were individual, not one individual. So, I was the director of the project. >> Correct.
(48:11) So, you were the key, you were the you were instrumental in bringing unled petrol to India. >> Claimed that all credit should go to any one person. If we are going to have led safe society, you are also one of the reasons. How can I say I did it? No, I'm here for another five 10 years and go hey this council should build you know every individual is important.
(48:31) >> But so tell me something why is this problem such a major thing in India and not abroad? >> In India do you think this was a major problem? In India food was a major problem. Population is a major problem, isn't it? Unemployment is improved. Housing is a major problem. We did not have good roads.
(48:53) Still our highway minister came you know came and we have good roads, good tunnels 20,000 ft good road. My son went on a bike on a car to 20,000 ft in Himachel. No road is made. Now these were the priorities. Nutrition was a priority. Good food. Midday [snorts] meal was a priority. Who bothered about this? Tell me.
(49:13) Everybody says nothing happened to my child. Why should I worry? My first child is very intrigued. The second child is very dull. God has given this. No, this is we everything we attribute it to God. One person told me my eldest know he's brilliant. This fellow young was born about 10 years ago. He is useless. He very criminal attitude. He hyperactive, destructive.
(49:33) Did not know his blood level was high. His IQ was low. Cognitive functions were disturbed. >> Isn't it? >> Yeah. 10 years later we got unended petrol in 2000 March 2010 we were worried about paints >> paints >> paint did you paint your child's bedroom with some color paints every child's bedroom is painted with giraffe that this color various color >> even my bedroom is painted with blue my bedroom is also painted >> I'm also a child [laughter] [gasps] then uh I was at in quality council council of India as a principal adviser
(50:08) government of India India in Delhi only institute of engineers building we were worried about lead in paint how to then I said we should contact paint manufacturer before that I got what I did collected paint from all the company kept all of them took the photograph and wrote how much ladies there in each paint published on the Hindustan times and cover page cover page of the all the paint companies starting from uh burger etc and paint le content ah >> they were all shocked All branded 78 companies there 700 800 unbranded
(50:43) companies they make paint in their shed and supply to these people only. So what is what is the problem with lead in the paint for the viewers sir please help us understand it >> leeches out it comes out we inhale the powder some flakes come out and over a period of time and uh powders and we inhale that America had big problem of painting their houses wooden houses you know they had to paint >> and lead poisoning was mainly because of the paint in 1970s they uh banned and olden days houses were not uh nobody would go and stay there if
(51:16) some child suffer they had to pay compensation they had to pay huge compensation many houses are empty in oho in Cincinnati nobody lives in that house it's like ghost house because of the paint amount of paint they have used layers layers layers of white paint on the window panel window no >> even even white paint is a problem all paints are a problem >> all colors all >> white cream >> any paint any paint I have a data uh the supposed to be green green paint has highest level of very high level of Worst is yellow.
(51:48) School buses are painted yellow. >> Yes. >> Taxis we >> playgrounds are painted yellow. The playgrounds where children hold you know that is yellow. Yellow has highest. >> Yeah. Oh. >> What about colors? >> Starting from a simple pencil what child uses is painted. Lead is not there in the pencil.
(52:12) It's a carbon and graphite. When the child goes to the school nicely dressed, we'll chew one end of the pencil which is painted. That paint contains lead. Why should we paint the pencils? My question is, is there anybody in our country including me? Have we made any efforts to convince the government? Why are we giving painted pencil to kill our own children? The IQ is reduced.
(52:40) It can be done overnight. If our prime minister decide that no longer pencils will be painted by Hindustan pencils, the Raj pencils, Absara pencils, give wooden finished pencil. Why not we do that? Why not government at least in their offices, in their hospitals, in their schools distribute only unpainted pencil? I'm telling you day today you asked me where we get >> this is another source you know crayons color very colorful we don't know what is it how much lead is there has anybody studied published educated
(53:24) convinced the industry all of us we do lot of research where will that data go have you convinced the industry what you are doing is wrong this question I'm asking myself introspection is very much required All crayons have lead s >> most of the crayons what we have tested >> okay >> as toxic substances including lead anyway then uh how to convince this paint industry >> I called for a meeting of secretaries chairpersons and cos of the paint industry I said you should come and attend we need your help we want to help
(54:02) you from the government they all came when they said we want to help you they came Deo means nobody will come. Leo leo means everybody will come. Yeah. A fellow one Gupta fell down into in the well. There was no water. Somebody he was screaming help me help me. Another fellow came. He said so that he could pull him out. He never gave.
(54:25) Another Gupta came. He said no no no don't say hot leo. Then he will come. He will hold your hand. When you say lelo they will take. Nobody will. >> Correct. These industries when they said we are going to help you they all came sanctioned money for six meetings I had to come from Delhi and then secretaries from various departments came we had to arrange snacks that this six meetings means a huge money I tell you their travel up and down travel ta and all that I said nothing doing I I'm not going to give one cup of tea I'll give
(54:58) and let them come they all came first day I said agenda is very simple we want you to provide paints below 90 ppm lead. One of them asked me 90 ppm how much we have in our paint? He's asking his chemical engineer. He said we have thousand sir because Bureau of Indian standard has prescribed thousand we have maint 10,000 and another fellow said no no we have up to 40,000 parts per million yellow paint shining glittering I said we want below 90 people then we don't have technology I said don't say that >> 91% of paint you are manufacturing is
(55:42) for our consumption which has 1,000 to 40,000 ppm remaining 9% what you are manufacturing you are exporting it to Singapore they will not accept you unless it is below 90 why do you bluff you know you are producing safe paint to other country not to us >> why >> huh >> why why they not giving us >> reason is the other paint below 90pm every two three years you have to repaint it doesn't >> last yeah >> whereas the one which has lead five years four years oh nothing will happen yeah They they show all of advertisement
(56:17) for years together it will remain fresh right. >> Yeah. Why are they sending the paint without lead >> to other countries? >> They will not accept otherwise. >> But you told me now that if the lead is not there then the paint will not stick for a long time. >> But they will repaint but now they have used other like titanium based paint and things like that that's last longer but it's more expensive.
(56:39) Little more expensive. >> Okay. >> I said something I I'm not supposed to tell you. I told them our government has decided to import paint without lead without duty without custom will be made available at cheaper price and I don't want your industries to be shut down I like your industry you think it over and come back next day they came they said we'll paint prepare paint gadget notification was made but they made a small change they said only decorative and domestic purpose below 90 ppm when you go to the paint shop is it mentioned
(57:13) on that 90 ppm this is how you know our people though they have don't know why these things are happening cheaper leaded paint is cheaper they can make more money all >> still we have lead safe paint submarines you have to use lead based paint only >> for submarines >> submarines otherwise salt water will erode it you know >> okay >> this is the situation in our Playground they have not used it is not decorative nor domestic.
(57:48) See they use that but children will play. >> Correct. Correct. Correct. >> Hospitals, schools. Should they in fact we have mercury free hospital. >> Okay. >> No thermometer with mercury you know blood pressure apparatus with mercury. All digital. Why not we have lead free a lead safe paint in the hospitals pediatric department at least? >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
(58:15) >> Railway coaches. Oh, such a thick painting there. Anyway, those coaches are going now. Modern coaches are coming. Anyway, we are moving towards a very positive side. >> But are there any paints in India, sir, brands of paints for example, which do not have lead and which the viewers can choose? Yeah, Asian paint.
(58:35) >> Asian paints are safe. >> Domestic and uh decorative. >> Okay, that's safe. >> Okay, >> there are many paints. Not only Asian, we have uh nerolac. >> Okay, >> I would like to recommend narolac because there are more, you know, varieties of paint. They add to give different color shades, you know, some that is where lead might get into this.
(59:01) the final after they paint they should take an XRF and measure the lead content in the paint >> okay >> that is what is required >> okay okay or do not paint the house that's the best >> earlier days my grandfather used to put you know here no money no paint chunam you know >> tuna yeah >> that used to absorb all the carbon dioxide bad breath and all that it used to absorb this paint emits it doesn't [laughter] that is a problem >> sir you had spoken about a filters and why is a filters a problem because we think a filters are great these days you
(59:31) have these >> I tell you >> water is a god we have to take care of that if we ill treat nine out of 10 diseases is from water only >> because water also has memory >> people say water has memory water has structure water if you chant good mantra water crystals are different if you fight and quarrel that water is different all established definitely the ways if that water is not treated properly >> eight nine diseases out of 10 is from a water only.
(1:00:04) Then we came to cleansing water. We were drinking tap water. We were drinking flowing water, river water. I still remember. But today am I can I dare to drink that uh flowing water anywhere? Yana water. Can I It's flowing. Can I drink near Tajal? No. Then we need purification. For millions and millions of years, quality of water has changed.
(1:00:29) Not the quantity the total quantity of water has not changed by even one drop either it's in the form of ice cs or water it has not changed we have not synthesized water maybe because of light lightning hydrogen oxygen must have become H2O small amount of water has been created small amount of water is also split into oxygen hydrogen in the electrolysis but total amount of water has not changed for millions of years millions of Yes, what has changed? Quality of water.
(1:01:02) It has become dirty. I cannot drink. Like Singapore prime minister what he did? He took even toilet water, public sewage water. He subjected to engineering technology, got it purified. He drank first before showing it to everybody. Everybody started drinking. Now one of the easiest technique what we were following was three pot method.
(1:01:23) On top we had gravel, big size, small size, small size. Below that charcoal and bottom most clean water three pot method we were using it in villages we were using it it failed because the pollution has contamination has become so big lead was not there in the water >> correct >> lead was not there on the surface water anywhere in the world no lake no river had lead was a deep hidden giant we woke him up we brought him up during industrialization then it got contaminated in the air when it rained Air lead came into the water.
(1:01:58) >> Uhhuh. >> Now how do we clean this watery water? How do we clean and get in? >> One of the technique which was developed people thought by boiling we can clean. But boiling you concentrate more of lead. Take one liter of water it has 1 gram of lead. Let us say 100 mg of lead. You boil it, it becomes 750 ml.
(1:02:16) Will lead evaporate? No. It will be it concentration increase. >> Okay. And people then started thinking about why not we remove through membrane semi-p permeable membrane like our kidney. When blood goes through the kidney some of the salts are removed some of the salts are retained. It's called osmosis semi-permeable membrane.
(1:02:41) Now nature also had a method of evaporating, raining, cleaning but the contamination become so much then they went into osmosis. What you are referring to you know osmosis. >> Yeah. >> Now in osmosis many things are removed. Big big molecules small molecules are not removed. Lead will still be there. Therefore RO reverse osmosis.
(1:03:05) RO is reverse osmosis. In that reverse osmosis, some of the bad things are removed. What is not required? But many bad things are still there. That is about osmosis. In the osmosis, it poor quality osmosis. It removes everything. Calcium, magnesium, zinc, iron, everything it removes. Then I am getting something like distilled water.
(1:03:27) When I drink this, when you continue to drink this, then it is deprived of minerals. What it does? It takes minerals from the body. Where it does it? from bone. Bone calcium gets into this. Magnesium gets into this. As a as a result, even before menopause, women drinking too much of this kind of water will develop osteoporosis.
(1:03:50) >> Okay? >> Because water needs you know it extracts. >> Uhhuh. >> Understand? >> Yes. >> This is the uh reverse osmosis has caused more problem >> but [clears throat] I am free from all the infectious diseases. What about systemic diseases? What about >> correct? Correct. Correct. Yeah. >> Then they modified. >> Yeah.
(1:04:10) >> After reverse osmosis, they put a sensor to measure the salt content. If it's low, this intelligence, it added salt to that recharging. Today we have an osmosis with an intelligence put into that which adds salt. That's why you see added salt on the >> Okay. >> Sodium, potassium, calcium, they add, you know.
(1:04:34) >> Yeah. But they don't mention whether there's >> excellent technology to remove all the minerals and add what is required is called uh spiking or uh what do you call uh [groaning] supplementing they supplement it with salt. Now you have salt which is also called alkaline salt. You know that? >> No. >> Sodium chloride is an ordinary soil.
(1:05:05) Your grandparents used sodium chloride from the sea crystals. >> Yes, >> you might have seen it. >> Correct. Correct. Yeah. >> But now we don't use that. Look at this sodium chloride powder which is alkaline buffer. >> Mhm. >> For a nasal cleaning you know for niti. >> Okay. >> For ni you don't use only water you add salt. Yes. Correct.
(1:05:26) >> Hypotanic. Little hypotanic. Yeah. It's about 200 ml of water. We dissolve this. >> Yes. Yes. >> Dissolve this in a earlier we used to have ni pot. Now this is the ni part. I mix it with water. Water that water. >> Yeah. >> And I I I do that. This is the >> Now osmosis is an excellent excellent tool technique to get rid of unwanted stuff and still retain what is required by supplementing it.
(1:05:55) If supplementation is not there amongst bottled water some of them are 100 rupees per bottle >> some of them are 700 rupees alkaline water is 700 rupees >> I'll tell you one incident it was an accidental discovery you know there are two beautiful countries one is Maicius and fisheries maishes uh the main profession for those people is fishing culturing tuna fish, exporting tuna fish.
(1:06:28) I used to go as an examiner to a medical college in Maishas twice a year. And one cab fellow used to come and pick me from the airport. Very very nice guy. He was inviting me sir. I have been inviting you. He never came home. But they had put me in some five-star hotel. I used to stay there. Once what happened? And I got a call from Mauritius that uh they identified me as one of the committee members to solve one problem.
(1:06:54) The problem was European Union, European country, they rejected several ship loads of tuna fish. They wanted to find out why they rejected. I am not a marine engineer. I was wondering why they have invited me. I went there. Anyway, maybe in the committee somebody will contribute. I can give my opinion. When I landed at the airport this man, same fellow came my had my other colleagues the government of Maicius invited me.
(1:07:21) They had arranged a very good uh accommodation to some resort. This man says sir at least this time you come. I told my colleagues you go and stay in the I will stay with him for one day. Tomorrow I'll come and join you. I went to his house small house hut like fisherman driving taxi rest of the time and he made a vegetarian food for me.
(1:07:41) enjoyed the food and he arranged for me a very comfortable place to sleep. In the night there was some sound coming from his kitchen. I thought he was preparing for tomorrow's breakfast. I was curious. I got up and went. He was breaking the battery, lead acid battery, taking out the lead, making balls, lead balls.
(1:08:03) I asked him, "What are you doing?" They speak bjapuri most of them. What are you doing? He said sir I'm making these lead balls to my fisherman net to net goes down I in the night and morning when I pull out I get tuna fish this then my problem was solved why the tuna fish was rejected from European countries maybe because of lead next time meeting I went I said the problem is solved I said get the tuna fish with rejected send it for lead analysis they got it analyzed high level of lead was there in the tuna see how one simple curiosity has solved
(1:08:36) the problem and then they stopped using the lead balls. They started using the stone balls. The lead diffuses into the water where tuna fish is cultured and I'll tell you lead in water it has certain benefits like chav. >> Yeah, >> it's a ayurveic preparation only herbal products are used. What happened once in kotal when chav was made one of the ayurvedic thing the shelf life was very short people vya used to make cha give it he said after one week you come I'll give you fresh one because it will become stale ley it's like
(1:09:20) >> to increase shelf life what what happened one incident happened in one particular batch of chaash after one year it did not get spoiled They kept it sample. They were wondering why it happened. Then they went into investigation. What they did? They found that that huge vessel was sent for kalai.
(1:09:41) Kalai is you know what is that quoting? Tin plating. Tin plating. That fellow who did tin plating adulterated that tin with lead. That lead came into the >> Okay. >> That chana push because of lead did not allow any bacteria to grow. >> Okay. any fungus to grow >> any nothing grew and people who consumed also did not grow >> finally they also died because of [laughter] >> why what I'm trying to tell you we have certain benefits like ayurdic [clears throat] medicine it has basmas and ras >> it came much later was only herbal medicinal practice even
(1:10:20) that herb and roots and bark and fruits they used to go and pick only on a particular day maybe full moon day, new moon day and they had some because it had potency because plants are also you know they accumulate on new moon day full moon day there were certain properties which were enhanced they used to collect it and make and bring it later on what happened in south India especially Tamil Nadu Augustia who went there >> yeah augusti >> Augustimuni yeah >> what I read I may be wrong also please pardon me >> he developed what was Basmas and
(1:10:54) Rasinas. Basmas are all minerals. >> Ah then Siddha medicine came from minerals. >> Yeah. >> The under strict restriction they were using it. >> Yeah. Mercury. >> They developed God is called shoddana. Mercury for >> Yeah. >> Shoddana. Shoddana is itself is a big process. I had published a paper also with one of the ayurvedic physicians.
(1:11:14) uh because what happened in US some of the violic medicines sold on internet >> were found having very high amount of lead cadmium mercury and arsenic >> okay >> Robert sapper myself we published we got a bad name because we exposed our Indian medicine and we were blamed I said no no no we some truth we brought out not with an intent to punish anybody here but to rectify if there if there is a problem why don't you rectify >> we don't get we are not here to make money from this we are here to make health better to everybody. Of course,
(1:11:46) later on we government of India said gold and seal platinum seal for medicines for export. I hope the same thing happens to our internal consumption also. >> Correct. Correct. >> We are also humans. >> Of course most of the animals today form animals and they are not given alopathic medicine.
(1:12:06) They're given iodic medicine. >> Okay. Most of them. Okay. Okay. Once they started giving this alopathic they started giving steroids some of the antibiotics. Dangerous isn't it? Most of the farm animals poultry animals >> are protected even before they fall sick. Prylactic there was a study done in that study about 150 people who underwent very serious surgery renal transplant kidney transplant heart surgery in high-end hospital where there was zero infection there was a follow-up after they got discharged some of them got surgical
(1:12:50) sight infection and they were wondering why it happened they used to come back no antibiotic used to work on them then uh we went into the details how many are vegetarian how many are most of them are non-vegetarian non-vegetarians undergoing a highend surgery developed post surgical called no dosial infection.
(1:13:12) Reason is at least two days a week they were using poultry animal which were loaded with antibiotics. >> Then we went to antibiotics. How much is manufactured? How much is used? What happens to date expired? Date expired were going there to this farmhouse or private farms. Government farum will not accept it.
(1:13:28) like that we have unorganized sector causing more problem because there's no checks and balances no in regulation whether is a lead cadmium mercury pesticide insects and whatever it is that is where I we need some strict regulation regist you know regulation and control has to be there for that especially for the seven toxic metals and pesticides I had proposed project 797 to the government.
(1:14:00) What is that project 797 magic number? There are 797 districts in our country. Every district has a hospital, government hospital. In that one corner, I wanted to keep aside for bio monitoring of toxic substances in that district. How much toxic material comes, how much is used, where it's used, how much is discarded.
(1:14:25) If we get that data, we get a picture of these toxic substances in that district and we can measure the toxic substances or effects on the population living in and with EI. I don't have to take your blood to measure your blood level but using today anodotic stripping voltmeter or ICPM is very expensive. one ICP must cost several crores.
(1:14:47) I don't have that much of money or I I can't measure your blood level because it costs about 800 to,000 rupees. There are no centers all over the country there are only 60 centers for measuring blood level which we established. >> Mhm. >> Then how do common man from Noar some other place where can they go and get their blood level of their child? >> Correct. Yeah.
(1:15:06) For that what we have done now the King George Medical University, era medical center, Luckno and Alter University in London together have come out with what is called EI based measuring blood level. You are living in one apartment, you are living in one area, how is the air quality, how is the water quality, how is the food quality.
(1:15:27) If we can collect all the data, it will be your quality. Correct? Without checking your blood, looking at few parameters and looking at your habits, we can tell your blood lead level is below 10 about 10. >> Okay. And what is what is the level that is dangerous and what is the level that is considered to be safe? Above 3 microgram per deciliter is considered to be toxic >> for most of the Indians.
(1:15:47) How much lead bloodled levels do you think >> about 10 microgram per deciliter? Maybe up to 30 microgram per deciliter. Particularly people living in and around the industry, people working in the industry. The husband is working in one battery industry morning till evening and he during his stay he may use mask but his body doesn't use mask lead accumulates in the skin and he will go and follow with his child.
(1:16:11) >> Correct. And skin absorbs 60% of the content. Right? Skin absorption. Yeah. >> This is the problem. >> Okay. Okay. Okay. Now there are problems because it needs uh engineering intervention needs lot of investment. Industry should be willing to invest not just making money is a big business you know. >> Yes. Yes. Yes.
(1:16:30) >> Whatever you suggest where it uh hurts their economics. >> Yes. >> Comes in they will not accept. >> Yeah. They will not accept. >> You will become their enemy. >> Yes. What about clothes sir? >> Okay. I'm wearing a button. >> Yeah. >> This button. Yeah. >> More shining. >> Has more lead in that. >> Ah >> like porcelain cups.
(1:16:48) more decorative, more color, more lead in that. >> Okay. >> Now, >> it is not affecting you and me. >> Yes. >> It's affecting the manufacturer. >> Soroski crystals inbuk in Austria that is the world famous you know soroski crystals in airports you will find >> loaded with lead then crystal glass in which they drink beer or whiskey and that has lot of lead that's why heavy it's very heavy.
(1:17:18) Now they may not leech out but the manufacturer hund thousands of people who are making it they suffer from that >> chocolate contains lead because chocolate paper contributes to the chocolate whether it's a lint or whatever it is >> aa okay >> artificial jewelry >> yes I heard that jewelry has lead >> you know I tell you in Maharashtra there's a very famous place is called Nasi.
(1:17:47) >> Yes. [snorts] >> About 20 kilometers away from Nasi. There's a village. The average lifespan of the villager is 40 45 years. They die after that. They were saying unknown disease. Unknown disease crippled. Then uh I also happened to go there before entering that village all around all the heaps and heaps of black soil. Black.
(1:18:10) I was wondering from where did they get black soil? Such a manu soil. Black soil. When I went there, I all of them had same profession. What profession? Purifying the raw silver which was coming from Gujarat and Bombay. People used to bring raw silver, silver bar, silver rods. These people were given that by weight.
(1:18:30) They were given lead also by weight. These people had to melt it, add lead, churn it. The silver was adulterated with sulfur. Natural natural silver comes with sulfur. If that is not removed, your silver cup, silver vessel will turn grayish, blackish. Again, you have to polish. But if you remove the sulfur, the silver will remain like silver only shining.
(1:18:56) These people were boiling, melting silver, which had sulfur. When they added lead, lead combined with sulfur forming lead sulfide which was black in color. They used to scoop it, put it outside. Then silver raspure these people used to come and collect that by calculating the difference and paying them wages and this was the job they were getting exposed to it.
(1:19:18) Where were the silver used now? Silver is used for many temples and utensils at home functions and ceremonies. But most of them they were using it for artificial jewelry in Maharashtra only near a place called I tell you what is that Mahalakshmi Kapur Kapur went there they were making a lot of artificial jewelry in fact my wife my daughter-in-law's first cousin is making artificial jewelry here very famous in Delhi they use even in the goldsmith and silver shops goldsmith to join the end of the gold they uses lead.
(1:19:56) Lead is used in whether is a artificial jewelry, natural you know >> real jewelry also. >> Okay. >> Lead is used they put it you will not make out. Now recently you know people started buying gold. What is that festival we had? >> That is the time they mix gold with lead silver with lead and make money. >> Okay. >> You can get it checked but we are blind Indian. No.
(1:20:22) >> Yes. Yes. Yes. We have to see nobody will simply donate anything to you. >> Correct. Correct. Correct. And real jewelry we wear every day. >> And my sister used to wear uh bindi. >> Bindi. Yeah. >> Bindi. And she developed some skin problem after that because of some of the un unwanted uh chemicals which were there maybe I don't know leader mercury or whatever it is I don't know there was she was almost getting a hole on the forehead.
(1:20:52) Then after some time I he said you don't have to wear anything that itself is a mark. >> Correct. Correct. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> One another thing I must tell you >> which is still in practice where everybody is aart partner in this crime. >> When you go to chopati or some place where evening we take children you buy bpuri and all they use is newspaper.
(1:21:14) >> Yes. >> And put it on that and give it to you. Isn't it >> samosa also? >> Samosa also. >> Yeah. The newspaper ink contains lead that leech uses into this. >> My god. >> So lead has entered every facet of >> I and you are not known to the world. We have not gone anywhere. But lead has gone everywhere. >> Yeah.
(1:21:35) >> See Chinese medicines. >> Yeah. >> More than 200 Chinese medicines sold as herbal medicines. Whether a tiger bomb or whether it is a boine contains lead. Tibetanian medicines. Yes >> contain lead Indian medicines I don't want to call it as ayura is safe some of the Indian jetty booty some traditional medicines contain lead African medicine middle east henna comes from there >> yes yes yes >> contains lead medicine contains lead is there all over the world I have the list of medicines which contains how much lead who should
(1:22:14) educate I tell you people who are highly respected in our society >> people look forward to meet them like our Jagguru >> G >> Jagi if they make one statement >> it will be 1 million times stronger than the same statement I make they will reach public if he just tells that from today onwards our children should use only unpainted pencil everybody will start using I may tell this 100 times a day nobody might use it yes we need such people to bring change in our society.
(1:22:51) They're all gifted people. >> Yes, >> they're not ordinary. Yeah, >> they're gifted. I'm also gifted to small extent but they are gifted to a very big extent and they should make difference in our society. >> Uh-huh. Wonderful sir. >> Coming to aircraft. >> Yeah. >> I have traveled to 178 countries. Every week I travel at least once.
(1:23:14) >> Okay. >> Today I'm going to Bangalore. Day after tomorrow I'm taking the flight to Bombay. Every time I take the flight I know I am at 35,000 40,000 ft altitude because pilot announces we are now at 40,000 ft. We are at outside temperature is - 35. We still maintain inside temperature 25° all that at that altitude radiation is so severe cosmic rays gamma rays so severe if I get exposed to that radiation for few minutes I may develop skin cancer.
(1:23:44) When I go to mountains as a mountaineer, stay there for 15 days, 30 days, I become jet black. >> Yes. >> Skin turns black. Why? The melanin pigment increases. So that radiation is filtered so that I don't my organs will not suffer. >> Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. >> Aircraft she outer sheet. >> Yeah. >> Is made up of lead venile material.
(1:24:06) >> It filters out the radiation. It protects me. Lead is a wonderful metal which has protected me from cancer. That is a wonderful metal which protected all the seven bridges to uh in the New York to Manhattan. One of them was not painted. It almost developed rust and it was about to collapse.
(1:24:29) Paint leaded paint protected submarines and the bridges and high-rise building structures. Lead protected but for lead I would not have come by that taxi today cap to this place. Lead acid battery was required to start but for lead at home my child or grandchild would not have continued to read because of but for that inverter when current went we did not know when it went it started functioning on that lead is a wonderful matter >> which made our life very comfortable >> otherwise I would not have had I would have had only coconut buttons
(1:25:03) >> lead is a wonderful matter I'm extremely grateful to the lead but if the lead enters any living organism it becomes terrible, deadliest. We should not allow lead to enter our system. We should be cautious. We should be careful. We should have sufficient knowledge about how it gets into our body from which root it gets in.
(1:25:26) For example, I'll tell you. See we are all most of us irrespective of whichever religion we belongs to maybe Muslim, Christian, Hindu whatever it is pari whatever it is we have faith and beliefs which is moving us. Once I went to Balaji temple >> I told you know they had put lead seal between stone slabs.
(1:25:54) Early it was concrete after the dash they used to give some cur rice or >> prasad >> prasad prasad >> I used to eat wash my hand it used to go and settle in the kas stinking >> then somebody advised them to remove that concrete seal it with lead good suggestion >> without realizing what are the impact >> later on you know between night 1 to 3:00 they used to pump water from the wells to make prasad what is that prasad I said no no lead content is very high it's not led leaduh >> ah led by of course they realize and they have changed it with the epoxy now
(1:26:25) things are most of the temples most of the temples in our country whether is a church or a temple or a mask they have put steel rods to control crowd and rod where they have put just it should not move you know so they have molten lead they have put to fix it >> yes >> yes >> so the lead is entering the prasad also >> when they wash it and same water is used to make something automatically it has to come whatever you throw it comes back to you you uh school buses I tell all the schools in the in the country please
(1:26:55) next time when you repaint your buses please insist that you have lead content below 90 ppm to protect your children will be more intelligent you'll get higher marks in your school and there will be more donations coming more fees you can charge people will start coming we have created thanks to my friend one of our team members professor Yan Shashidara >> he's a creative man very creative he made four projects for the Excellent project.
(1:27:23) One is called QC quality play environment for children. What he is said there are lot of playgrounds in your apartment also your playground you invite national reference center to come and check is there a lady in this playground. Okay. If it is not there they will get a certificate >> safe child safe. This child safe certificate we give we have [snorts] given it to many places.
(1:27:47) That is the beauty of this quality play environment for children. No barb wires, no sharp stones, no lead in the paint and sand everywhere. So that even if they fall they will not. It's a total care. The second thing project he created was a leader. What is that leader? We thought that going to government secretaries, ministers will not solve the problem.
(1:28:09) They are there for a short period of time. They have priorities. They will focus. I don't blame them. But if I go to a school, educate about 50 teachers in the school or whatever I'm talking to you, whatever I have spoken to the viewers. >> Yeah. >> These teachers can communicate to their children at least 500 children in a year.
(1:28:33) Children will go educate their parents and another four or five members in the family. Cascading effect will be there. This called leader project lead educator. We give them certificate one day workshop. Teachers will assemble we tell them we give them learning material PowerPoint they can use it anywhere in whichever language they want now we have AI to translate anything >> correct correct yeah >> we have given that it's called lead educator called leader last year is educator the second project and I'm so happy to be with you discussing this
(1:29:03) period is a lead awareness week global le awareness week October end is a global le awareness week all over the world People are celebrating. What a coincidence. I tell you >> the great coincidence today and all the credit should go to you. >> I must tell you this pod whatever you make send it to the two three international organizations including who I'll send you all the address.
(1:29:30) Sure thing >> and you will get recognition because of this. >> Do that. That is something like award million dollar award to you that as an individual without knowing that there's lead awareness week in the month of Octo you have done it now I'm telling you you say I'm very happy to have this program during the lead awareness week and it will create awareness throughout the year from now onward to many people >> normally lead awareness week they conduct conduct seminars discussion and then they forget this will continue
(1:30:01) >> yes yes yes most certainly sir sir I cannot thank you enough for this conversation. >> You're like my daughter. >> My daughter never thanked father. Would you thank your father for there anytime? [laughter and gasps] >> I would not have traveled ma. >> Yeah. >> With the present condition, I would not have traveled.
(1:30:20) >> Yes. >> I love this. >> I'd not even seen you met you. I came here. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. >> I'm so happy I'm with my daughter today. >> Oh, that's so sweet. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. In case you'd like to be a part of our online and in-person yoga, diet and spiritual programs, you can join our WhatsApp group below where we post all our upcoming programs and give free tips on health, diet, and lifestyle.