Ex-Russian Spy Reveals: Secret Seduction & Manipulation Tactics, Honeytraps & KGB Secrets Aliia Roza

Ex-Russian Spy Reveals: Secret Seduction & Manipulation Tactics, Honeytraps & KGB Secrets Aliia Roza

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(00:00) who is sitting right now in front of me. >> Finishing with that uh last dangerous mission where I was almost killed and I was raped multiple times. I will be honest. [music] I don't know. How did you honey trap people? >> Okay, let me tell you how does it work. >> Did your father know about this that you were being raped multiple times and you are like a meat to the government there? >> The government chooses future agents for a few parameters.
(00:27) >> Okay, another parameters. It's not about beauty at all. It's about But why were you being raped so many times then? >> Victim mentality. If you have victim mentality, you'll be raped. Got a task. This is the leader of the criminal group. I supposed to be a bait. So with Vladimir, we already had one of the member of my team who was already undercover in the group, but at the same time, he was bringing him girls.
(00:57) Oh, I have this girl. She's a student, you know. Do you want to her for [music] tonight? Then my turn. I manipulated him. What would you give him? Keys or maybe BG? But when he behaves as a bad boy, I'm like, "Oh, sorry. I need to do my homework. I'm busy today." You know this adrenaline >> rush >> and at the same time you have intercourse. This is anchor.
(01:26) This is the biggest anchor for any man. He becomes addicted. >> Girl to girl, tell me how was it dating you? >> Oh, it was amazing. [laughter] >> It's like being celebrity. >> Yeah. >> Criminals were celebrities. So, who is the biggest celebrity in India? >> But imagine him >> in Russia, but he's a criminal lord. That's the way Vladimir was treated in Russia.
(01:51) >> How do you target your spot for an agent? The target has to look at the the agent at least seven times. So is that true? Absolutely. >> How does this work? Tell me please. >> Installing different objects events around the target. They guide the target to make a decision they want him to do. >> You know, I've met a lot of men.
(02:11) I don't know why they try to act as a [music] victim mentality. They want a woman to help him and baby him like a mommy. Oh, you little poor boy. She's a bad person. She's a bad [ __ ] I'm with you. Let me help you. I will do everything for you. This is manipulation. [music] >> Hello everyone, namaste.
(02:42) Welcome back to the Rava Sarda Show. Today's guest is someone who was trained to do something most of us fear. um getting into people's mind, taking out stories from them, emotional bending, manipulation. Um you know, she was an ex-Russian spy and we are going to talk a lot about manipulation today and her life. It's a playbook of manipulation and how seducers actually look out for their victims.
(03:16) What what is lovebombing? What is uh gaslighting? that there are so many things that we are going to talk about and listen to this podcast carefully. Watch thisa podcast carefully because after watching and listening this podcast you know you may realize some people in your life are not actually who they are. So please welcome Alia Rosa Alia namaste welcome to India welcome to the show.
(03:39) >> Thank you so much Rya for having me. Namaste and thank you. >> How are you? >> I'm good. I'm very very excited to be here. This is my first time in India. >> In India. >> First time in Mumbai. I am feeling so grateful and so blessed. Thank you for having me. >> Do you do you know any Hindi words here? >> Uh no. Namaste. Namaste.
(04:04) You know if if I ask is how are you? >> You're supposed to say >> I'm fine. So Alia the first question uh which comes in my mind you know which has been been sitting in my research paper since a very long time you changed your name you changed your identity you changed your country many times many times so who is sitting right now in front of me is this Alia Rosa a royal woman or a spy or someone we actually do not know >> you know what I've done so many podcast interviews.
(04:48) This is first time somebody asked me this question >> and I've done therapy for 17 years after my uh PTSD of course uh finishing with that uh last dangerous mission where I was almost killed and I was raped multiple times. I will be honest. I don't know. I really do not know because I think at some point I lost myself because imagine living for almost 20 years in different identities in different countries.
(05:23) I lived in Russia uh in USSR I was born then I when it fall I lived in Russia then I moved to Greece then I moved to Switzerland then I moved to London UK then I moved to France then I moved to Italy and then five years ago I moved to America and you know what I think in America I think that point five years ago >> I think also because of co because we kind of like was so isolated and obviously all my tasks were dropped dropped and I didn't receive any tasks from the uh government.
(05:56) I finally realized and I wanted to know what's my mission in life like what do I want to do really like who am I >> and I started to do this healing therapy uh with different um uh therapists like Reiki >> um she actually was telling uh how did she work on me in the podcast to die for which we did with no stra she participates there and she was doing this uh raiki therapy for a here and actually it helped me to come to my understanding who am I and what I want to do and um slowly I came to the point that I didn't know that what I've
(06:37) learned is actually not available for public. I didn't know I I I honestly never really did the research or something. I just like you know I used to work and I was like doing what I supposed to do you know like we always like in our working mood. We're like you know just working and we don't like see anything and like we are like in this routine and then suddenly like all these curt curtains dropped down and I felt like wait so who who am I what I want to do and then I have received uh a message which actually completely switched my mind. So
(07:13) there was a girl 16 years old and she DM' me Instagram. She said, "I am standing right now on the 17th floor and I'm ready to jump to kill myself." >> Oh my god. >> Yes. Because my boyfriend said that I'm ugly uh because I showed you a picture from Instagram and he said, "Oh, you and I want to be like you.
(07:36) " And he said, "You you will never be like her. You're ugly. You're like, you know, miserable and all this." And she texted me and she said like, "Nobody knows, neither my parents. and I just wanted you to let you know and I'm ready to jump. >> Oh my god. >> Can you imagine that? >> And at that time I was online and I see it >> and I'm like, "Oh my god.
(07:57) " So I um you know in Instagram you can call. >> Yeah. >> So I called her >> immediately. >> Immediately. And we talked for like an hour. >> Oh my. >> And uh you know and and we spoke about different things. Apparently she uh loves to draw and she wants to be an artist and she honestly is a beautiful if I will show you a picture like she's a really beautiful decent girl but she has just like you know she >> every teenager I'm mom of teenager my son is almost 17 years old like I understand that age they're going through puberty there's so many like you
(08:32) know hormones in their body they don't understand they completely lost and when somebody criticizing you or manipulating you and you can lose your life because of this criticism. How dangerous is that? So it's so and I realized that moment how important to teach people and share knowledge is how to not to be distracted by this negativity >> not get manipulated like people right >> manipulated by toxic people narcissists predators because they're also manipulatives using like you know children to kidnap for human trafficking
(09:08) you know India apparently is on um six uh top six uh countries in human trafficking and there are over 27 7 million people every year are kidnapped for human trafficking. It's what we know and how many numbers what we don't know. >> So it's uh it's very important and I understood for me this is my mission to educate especially young generation because I'm as a mother to educate young generation to um be confident enough.
(09:41) So, anyone who will tell you some BS, you said, "F you. I know I deserve the best. I know who I am. I know I'm strong. I'm beautiful. I know my mission and f you." And block all toxic people. >> The negativity and everything, right? >> I know for a fact that uh manipulators, they cannot even try.
(10:09) They may even a little bit try but I see it through. They just like they they don't even come to me. Yeah. >> Because they understand that like I'm not in the victim mentality. So manipulators they see victim mentality on the animal level. >> You don't need to say even anything. You can look posh, beautiful like looking like confident, but if you have a victim mentality, they will scan it straight away.
(10:36) >> They'll spot you. >> They spot you. They come to you, they'll give you all the love bombing, then they will give you guys lighting, then they will give you isolation. So you're completely feeling alone and then you will have a Stockton syndrome. >> Yeah. >> And you will be attached to your uh manipulated to your own >> circle.
(10:57) >> Yeah. And and then your life is just becomes >> not your life is not in your hands. It's not in your control. Right. Okay. So we have a lot many questions for you but uh uh just in one line if you can tell me is Alia Rosa still a character or uh >> Alia Rosa. So yes so Rosa is not my name my real name I I I cannot share my real name just because number one my parents still live in Russia.
(11:24) >> Yeah >> of course I never said anything bad about president of Russia. I never said anything bad about the government. I just uh sharing my life story. Yes, I share what I I did learn there. Yes. But at the same time, you know, I got my diploma and actually I have a a medal for a good serving after like, you know, exposing this drug trafficking uh gang.
(11:54) >> I actually was sort of like a hero there. So, I never really uh said anything bad about Russian government. But yet, because the Ukraine war is still going on, unfortunately, and I stand for peace, I just want to protect my parents who still live in Russia and I just don't want to really like tell my my surname and everything, but that's right.
(12:20) Of course, I do provide my uh archive documents and certificates and diplomas to every journalists or podcasters when I do. >> Alia, tell me since we are talking about parents, uh your father, he was one of uh the highest ranking officer, right? >> But he was the one who trained you also and who introduced you to u uh the agencies. >> Mhm.
(12:44) >> For whom you worked, the same agency. Mhm. >> In which the commanders raped you multiple times. >> No, it wasn't the same department. It was another department. But uh so they didn't know each other. They they knew each other. Okay. I know he works there. Da da da. But they were not friends. >> Okay. Yeah.
(13:01) >> Okay. But what I'm trying to ask you here is that did your father know about this that you were being raped multiple times and you are like a meat to the government there? >> You know what? Uh this is question number one that people ask me especially after listening my story. So um let me try to explain you and your audience and I think this will resonate with so many people as parents.
(13:34) A lot of them they want their children to do what they do. Yeah, >> if you if your parent is a singer, probably like he will teach you how to sing and you to become a singer. If your father is a plumber, he will probably teach you how to be the best plumber. So this is what our parents do because it's not because they're bad because they don't know any other profession.
(14:01) This is what they've done, the experience that they've done over their life. They want to share with their kids. So their kids can go ahead and earn money for their life. >> Yeah. But my question here is you know I'm coming to the point that did your father ever said sorry to you. >> Has this happened? >> Uh he doesn't know what what happened to me. I have never tell him.
(14:26) >> Okay. >> Never. My father. Okay. So he got retired because he got a cancer. >> Okay. uh and he had two very uh difficult surgeries and uh he obviously retired and all that. I couldn't give him more pain. >> Yeah. >> That he would never forgive himself and who knows maybe like do something bad to himself. So he doesn't know.
(14:54) >> All he knows that I've been working there. I did some dangerous missions. He knew that it was dangerous but he trained me from like six years old and he taught me very well and he knows that with this knowledges I will be the winner anyway. That's what his mentality and I do speak with my dad and my dad.
(15:20) They're still together thank God. Uh more or less healthy. Uh I do speak with them every week on the phone like on the you know WhatsApp. So even though WhatsApp is blocked in Russia but [laughter] okay >> but yes >> were you bullied as a child? >> Absolutely. Yes. >> Yes. >> So um imagine this. Imagine you are five six years old girl.
(15:44) The way you look beautiful with olive beautiful skin with beautiful uh eyes and you are surrounded by thousand blonde blue eyes kids and they look at you as a you are an alien. Yeah. >> So that's how I felt myself in my school >> because my parents they coming from Kazakhstan full in 1991 when I I was just like in the elementary like middle school and uh uh we we because my father's career military career we ended up living in Russian side.
(16:22) >> Okay. >> So I went to the Russian school. So I I had to learn Russian language as my native language. So, I was bullied constantly by my classmates because I look Asian, obviously, Central Asia, and they told me, "Oh, you're Chinese. Go to China." Or they would say like, "We don't want to play with you.
(16:43) " Or like I also had like they beaten me up, >> you know. And I knew by that time already martial arts and I could, you know, >> you could give them back. >> I could. >> Yeah. >> But I was in my victim mentality. M >> so I would come back home cry and only one thing what I did I was just constantly studying I I was a nerd like a proper nerd so when the teacher would say okay did anyone did the homework and everybody will like sitting and you know okay I know you did it okay go ahead tell us so I was a nerd >> okay so that is why do you think uh
(17:26) The government chose you because you were lonely, you were bullied. >> The government chooses future agents for a few parameters. >> Okay. >> Another parameters. >> Yes. It's not just the look like they think oh just she needs to be beautiful or no sometimes and we had like five uh future female stu uh agents students that time from 350 students.
(17:52) >> Okay. So they handpicked because we had to go through a special test. So it's not about beauty at all. It's about charisma. How can you really switch from one person to another person in a second? >> And you can do that. >> Well, apparently I can. Okay. >> And how also can you mentally resist to a very strong psychological dramatic events? For example, if somebody uh you know is that in front of your eyes and you see a lot of blood or something, how would you tolerate that? So they would
(18:36) give us a lot of psychological tests and according to that they would choose. But it's not just this. So, so appearance sometimes you have to be not so beautiful because sometimes you need to blend in the crowd. >> But you were broken at that time. So do you think broken people are like the best weapons for the government? >> Yes.
(19:01) So the third thing and you're absolutely right and this is amazing that you said that they chose particular and they always choose people who has victim mentality who are not confident because it is again the same story like Stom syndrome. The government, the state, the mentor, the teacher, the commander whatever becomes your master and you become a puppy and you c and you become like so attached.
(19:26) So you cannot imagine living without what you have this life you are stuck in this you know in this life that you are so scared because this is even though it's very difficult but you think this is your comfort zone you think because you are in like you know in the cage like mental cage >> and then like what really happened was your training about um manipulation psychological manipulation or attraction.
(19:57) So here I want to know from you uh the complete cycle how you were trained brutally also. >> Uh I mean it's a long story uh but u I'll try to make it short. >> Short. Yeah. >> So okay imagine >> if you can make it like you know for people to understand how was it. >> There was also torture here. >> Well yes of course uh because again they need to see your tolerance.
(20:21) What if you would be caught by the enemy? Can you tolerate the torture? >> No. >> So this is really important things. Um so from 4:00 a.m. we would wake up do our bus and you know like get ready blah blah blah. Then we would go to uh physical training. So usually we would do uh jogging >> some exercises by uh then we would have a shower, get ready uh wear our uniform, go to the breakfast. Okay.
(20:52) And then from 8:00 a.m. we start our education classes which are you know how to use the gun the gun gun shooting classes uh how to use for example different gadgets how to open someone's lock how to install a bug. >> Oh you know how to open the locks also. Well, yeah, I can just use the hair pin and yes, actually it did help me one time.
(21:20) I I uh I was locked out from my apartment and actually helped me which is kind of cool. >> Okay. Uh so uh you learn all these kind of things plus you learn about uh history the law you know like so a lot of like academical kind of things but then five of us after the program would be finished uh at 4 p.m. we would go to a separate classes which we were not allowed to discuss with our classmates needed to our you know relatives or family members >> okay >> and there were mostly 90 80% I would say about psychological training which is manipulation persuasion uh influence
(21:59) seduction NLP techniques anchoring techniques programming brain techniques hypnosis >> hypnosis also >> yes >> oh >> and then after we would have our dinner again like a little time for uh homework and all that. Then again we would go um you know like every morning, every evening you would have like a report where everybody lines up and they basically listen to what will happen tomorrow, what's like the news, what's events and all this. And then 1000 p.m.
(22:31) you go to bed. But we didn't go to bed because we had to do our homework. So I had to do my homework till like 12 >> supposed to practice what was being taught to you. >> Yeah. Because you you are giving so much material like so many books you have to read and when you're supposed to read like you only have time like after 10 p.m.
(22:50) So I would read all these books and like do my homework by like 12:1 a.m. and then I would just sleep like 2 3 hours and then the next day is the same and the same and the same. Plus there was no like weekends. So you still do the same stuff. But why were you being raped so many times then? >> How was this? >> Victim mentality, my love.
(23:11) Victim mentality. If you have victim mentality, you'll be raped till the moment you get out of your victim mentality. >> That's true. Tell me. Let's let's go to the part of seduction. How would you target your spot? I mean, if you're around people, there are so many people around here. let's say in India or anywhere anywhere you're in any other country how do you target your spot >> I've heard in one of your videos that uh for an agent uh before you target any you know any person the target has to you know look at the um the agent at
(23:51) least seven times not direct contact uh no open conversation but somewhere it's there in the mind of uh >> peripheral vision will see >> peripheral television. Yes. So, is that true? Absolutely. >> How does this work? Tell me, please. >> Uh, the best explanation would be if you ever seen the movie um focus with Will Smith and Margaret Robbie.
(24:13) If you haven't, please watch it. I will explain how does it work. >> Uh, social engineering, that's the the term. It's when the team you can't do it by yourself of course installing different objects events around the target >> different scenarios. >> Yes. So they they guide the target to make a decision they want him to do.
(24:42) For example, if I see I have a target like when I had a target number one, >> gathering information. So for example, nowadays it's much easier to gather information. We actually working right now on AI app which will help people to collect information and know exactly who's in front of you without wasting your time looking at social media and getting all information online and all this.
(25:11) It will come very soon. So yeah, so it will be very helpful. So basically you need to gather information as much as you can. Social media really useful because you can see what's the interest of this person, hobbies, what does he do, everything plus LinkedIn, what's the job, what's the history and all that. If you don't see any information online, >> yeah, >> it's a red flag.
(25:34) >> Okay. >> Because like I mean come on. So something is really shady about this person. Maybe he's a spy. Who knows? or she's a spy. >> No, but my husband doesn't have any social media. >> I do believe that somewhere at some point uh he has some internet um food food. >> I I think uh I believe he has made some accounts uh but you know it's only for scrolling what's going on or some funny videos but he never really shares anything.
(26:04) Yeah, but he's your husband and you're famous. So, and you go together to some events. So, paparazzi definitely saw you made some pictures and if you really like you know search in internet you can find out. >> Okay. So, we'll come back to the topic. So, tell me what is what is the formula? What is the step? >> Yes. >> You know to >> you got information number one.
(26:21) >> Correct. >> Then you analyze this information right like okay so you need to create a legend. So for example, um I love these bracelets which you presented me. >> Yeah. >> So I um I understand that you have a good taste especially for jewelry that you like this uh you know jewelry. You like fashion. You like to mix and match.
(26:47) I can see your beautiful earrings which are very u compatible to your sari beautiful color. I understand that you like jewelry. What I would do if you would be my target, I would speak about jewelry with you. >> Yeah. >> Oh, do you know this brand? They have like this new collection. Have you seen it? It's so amazing. I want to buy this.
(27:06) What about this? Like, you know what I'm saying? So, I need to find similarities. >> Oh my god. And that's so true. When you first said about the jewelry thing and I told you that I'm going to start something into jewelry. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So um where you um find some um mutual similarities or like where you can establish this trust >> because what you want from your target you want the target to trust you >> and trust takes some time only manipulators they go like in rush and they try to conquer very quickly. You
(27:44) know when the man would say to you like after one date I love you I want to marry you. I want to have kids with you. It means I just want to f you. [laughter] >> Seriously, like ladies, please come on. Don't be naive. >> Yeah, you're so right. >> So, tell me what is the first thing that uh a woman should never never tell on her dates or a man also should not reveal about >> for women. for for men and for women.
(28:12) Number one, never bad mouth about anyone or your exes particular >> because uh first of all, if you say like, oh, my ex-husband uh did domestic violence or like he verbally abused me or like cheated on me, you already allow allowing kind of future this future partner to do the same. Or if guy says, "Oh, we broke up because she cheated on me.
(28:41) " like don't say about your past experiences or don't talk about your ex. You usually say like well we just had like different lifestyles or like we had like different you know uh missions in life and or like just different characters and all this but she's a great person. We still keep in touch or we don't keep in touch doesn't oh she she moved to another country or whatever.
(29:00) But when you start to badmouth meaning what? Uhhuh. if he or she speaks so bad about his or her ex, so he will say exactly the same things about me if we break up. You know, I've met a lot of men and one thing I've seen is >> I don't know why they try to u act as a victim mentality. They talk about their ex.
(29:27) A lot of men as you said, this is so right. or they talk about their ex-wives or they talk about their current wives. You know the reason we have met the meeting the agenda that goes for a toss but you're talking you I don't know why are you talking about your ex your girlfriend your whatever you were going through your pain I don't want to know that in the first meeting why why do they do this you know why >> who are women are creators women are giving birth create a new life. We are nurturing.
(30:05) We are kind. We want to help. If women would be more CEO and politicians and leaders, there wouldn't be any worse worse, right? It would be peace. Yeah. So what men do when they complain or they and pretend to be victim, they want a woman to help him and baby him like a mommy. Oh, you little poor boy. She's a bad person.
(30:40) She's a bad [ __ ] I'm with you. Let me help you. I will do everything for you. This is manipulation. >> The they are looking out for a motherly figure. Uh some men they do just because they had narcissistics mothers or they didn't have good relationship with mothers. So they're looking for a woman who could be mommy >> to him. >> Okay. >> So they're infant in infantile position.
(31:08) >> Okay. I get your point. Tell me something. How does this manipulation work? The psychology of every predator, every corn or every toxic partner, how does manipulation work for them? >> Very very easy. And uh please remember this very easy steps because the pattern pattern is exactly the same for manipulators, >> predators, criminals, toxic people, narcissists, and any person who actually wants to use you like takers.
(31:41) >> Okay. Number one, what they do also like secret agents, they gather information about you from friends, social media, internet, and all this. >> Yeah, they're very quick in that. >> Yes, of course, they're professional because like this is what they do. >> Then they come to you and they do love bombing.
(32:04) What is it? Or like for example, if it's not romantic or if it's a business, oh you're so talented. Or like a woman, you're so beautiful. Oh, you're so like great. I just adore, I admire you. Like a lot of compliments, a lot of gifts, a lot of attention, a lot of energy every day. Every day you receive it.
(32:24) You receive it and you're like, "Oh my god, this person is amazing. He's so good. >> He's so into me." >> Huh? >> He's so into me. >> Yeah. He's so into me. For example, in romantic relationship, oh, he's so into me. Oh, good morning, my love. How you feeling? Good night, my love. How you feeling? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Or in business, it's the same.
(32:43) Or I've heard, oh, like I read your article where you spoke about the a new invention or a new project in your company. You're so great. So, a lot of love bombing. This is love bombing. >> Yeah. >> So, what happens with our brain? 21 day as you know the brain creates the habit >> habit of that person okay >> of anything drinking coffee every day is a habit by the way >> which is for me >> okay >> a good habit so after love bombing what they do is guys lighting for example you said something >> and then manipulator would go no no no
(33:24) no it wasn't like that for example You saw him sleeping I mean having intercourse with someone and he was said no no no it's it's a nurse she was helping me to like because I have like a pain or something whatever so whatever you say or you sow or whatever you you kind of like you feel they will twist it and they will make you believe that you are the fool that it's something is wrong with you and when you will be told this constantly every single day our brain works this way our brain will remember that if you tell
(34:03) >> you're feeding your brain >> yeah if you you surround yourself with people who telling you you are smart you're beautiful I believe in you you're great you're successful you'll be successful like uh Rodshel Rockefeller also they said if you want to become rich and wealthy and successful surround yourself with five successful wealthy people because you will be surrounded in this circle and you would be constantly in this energy.
(34:32) >> If you want to be like uh in this like misery loves company, right? You want to be like complaining and be miserable, go ahead and be with these people. So that's why it's so important with whom you're hanging out. >> Okay. So love bombing is like from going from chemistry to >> compliment. So it's like love bombing.
(34:53) It's when manipulator gives you a lot of attention. >> You you get used to it and then after it's emotional swings after he disappears or she disappears something happens you think something happens I did something wrong you start to have uh self self insecurities and sabotaging and self-doubts.
(35:20) You feel I did something wrong. I said something wrong and you start to like think about it and as more we think about this person as more our brain get attached to this person and we think that we are in love but this is not love this is manipulation. >> You get caught into that trap. >> Yes. It is a trap. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Then it is a gaslighting.
(35:41) >> Yeah. >> So the manipulator has to make sure you feel insecure. So ask your question and this is very important. What kind of relationship do you have? If you feel in your relationship that you're insecure, that you don't believe in yourself, you go to a job interview and you're thinking, "Oh, I will not get this job because I'm not good enough like others or um I'm I'm not that beautiful or I'm not that smart.
(36:14) " Probably the partner with whom you are right now is not supporting you. If you feel that I'm the best, I'm powerful, I can do everything, I can conquer the world, I'm successful, probably your partner is there to support you and telling you every single day, I believe in you, baby, you can do it. So this is like very important. And then after gaslighting, what manipulators do is isolation.
(36:39) And it would be like this. Oh, you know your friend Sara for example, you know you're friends from like childhood and you know her for like 10 15 years but you know I think she's jealous about you because you know we have such a loving relationship you know and then another day he would say oh you know she looked at me in this weird way I think she was flirting with me and then it would be oh you know actually she she she texted me or like she tried to invite me over or something and then the next thing you
(37:12) know he's cheating with Sara and apparently it wasn't I mean if Sar is a bad person of course I'm not talking about like whatever but apparently it would be all twisted he would be the one who would persuade Sara to sleep with her just for his own insecurity because manipulators are very insecure people that's why they're parasiting on someone to feel something feel bad so they feel good about Of course >> they have an upper hand on Yeah.
(37:43) >> As more they put you down the situation as more they lift themsel up. Yes. So isolation or for example I think your mom you know she's like I think she's like really uh has like this influence on you or like you become like your mom. I think like she's calling us too much. I think she she's like you know I think she doesn't like me. D.
(38:10) So manipulator tries to isolate you from everyone. Why? Because when you have no one in your life, then manipulator can totally control you and do anything with you, abuse you, beat you, like slaving you, anything. And you would have stolen syndrome and that's it. The life is miserable. >> I mean, yeah. Because just because you are a victim mentality, so this goes on.
(38:36) Tell me something. Um, Alia, you were trained for honey trap. Not a lot of women are trained in that way. >> Not a lot. >> Not a lot of women. How many people did you target and what sort of information did you bring out of them? [sighs and gasps] Let's talk about politicians. Let's let's talk about I don't know highend officers, government. Okay.
(39:09) Let me uh tell you how does it work >> in the secret intelligence world with the target. >> Okay. >> So first of all with your target you have to take some time to gather information everything. Where does he go? What does he do? What's the inner circle? What's the activity? Everything. So you have this information you analyze it.
(39:33) Then you can use social engineering installing right where you can somehow install this like different events or objects or wherever. So this target would be okay let me tell you like the story um how I did with Vladimir. So Vladimir I would say was my you know a lot of people ask me uh did you love him uh did you like do you miss him or like what you know what emotions did you have I will tell you Vladimir for me was my saver if not him I wouldn't be here right now sitting in
(40:18) front of you And I was too young to understand what love is. I still unfortunately due to my PTSD and my traumas I think I cannot experience love. I love my son. I love people. I love animals. I have dogan and cat. I do. But because I know the man psychology so much, I don't know if I would ever be able to h find or and trust a man and have this loving uh 100% trustable relationships to be honest because I know how men operates.
(40:57) I'm not talking that men are bad. No, >> no, you know too much about men. >> Yeah. So I don't know. But uh with Vladimir for example, I mean it's just a great example to explain how actually uh the strategy the whole strategy worked. So we got a task. This is the leader of the criminal group. Uh this is uh my target. I supposed to be a bait.
(41:24) >> So we couldn't just kill him. We didn't want to kill him. We needed information from a bigger >> criminal who uh subsidized and who like sponsoring and who is like supplying drugs and weapons and uh human trafficking all this we couldn't just like besides you have to have evidences to arrest the target right >> so we needed to have evidences so we decided I mean my commander of my team uh and of course you never operate alone So there is like field agents the agents who are operating in the department like
(42:05) let's imagine James Bond is a field agent he's like in action >> Q is his uh tech guy >> and then M is the brain behind the whole operation. So it works like that everywhere. >> It's always a team work. You cannot do any mission without your team work. And in any business you have to have a good teamwork.
(42:34) Your team is 80 or even like 100% of your success. >> Yeah. >> So my commander M let's say said okay so let's do this strategies honey you aliyah will be the bait. So we established uh speaking with the former classmates, high school classmates that Vladimir apparently was in love to a girl from uh Usbekistan which is also Asian-l looking girl who unfortunately uh supposed to wait from him when he went to the army and in Russia it's compulsory for two years to go to the army and serve the country and usually like you know when soldiers go there
(43:16) they come back usually after like that they get married and this is like a tradition. >> So she didn't wait for him. He comes back and she's pregnant by another from another guy. So he's heartbroken and then he becomes a criminal. He and besides don't forget it was after 1991 youus of fall. It was a chaos.
(43:36) There was no strong politician who would guide the country. The country was collapsed. People were starving. A lot of homeless children. A lot of crime. So it was that period of time and uh Vladimir became criminal and then he became even bigger bigger bigger. So he became a leader of this criminal group and that time in Russia there were a lot of criminal groups.
(44:01) So uh we established that he kind of like into Asian girls sort of like he's like >> that's how you Yeah. >> sort of. And then uh we also asked to see uh you know like these old albums from these photos from like the graduation you know like that graduation school photos. So I saw that girl and she was uh wearing like this you know like uniform blah blah blah but she was wearing particular like this like white socks uh on every photo and I was like okay so I need to wear that.
(44:36) So I bought uh very similar socks, >> high heels. I bought like a a short skirt looking like a uniform like us uniform. >> Yeah. >> You know like that uh color the dark brown color >> and I put like also the same similar >> the hairstyle >> and uh >> you got the same kind of look. The appearance was similar to the girl. Okay.
(45:01) >> Yes. Number one. Number two, we installed social engineering. So for a couple months, we were using some couples who were looking like Vladimir and the lady, the partner would would look like Asian. >> So we would hire these sort of like actors. >> Okay. >> And they would be somewhere nearby Vladimir.
(45:25) He would go to the restaurant, the couple would like walking uh holding hands, kissing. Then he would go like to the like you know ba sona like Russian bunna it's like sona and they would be like another couple would be like she's pregnant and similar guy like Vladimir wearing the uniform from like the soldier like this uniform would like you know hold her bailey be like very caring loving and all this so he wouldn't look at them but peripheral vision does >> no direct contact but yeah it's there somewhere in your mind yeah >> yes Then uh in another scene, in another
(46:02) time, somewhere in the restaurant or like whatever he would see another couple similar like that. And then finally he would like peripheral vision would see like on the street near to his house like there is a a a little newborn baby, you know, and the couple kissing and like they're like happy with the kid. Oh baby, da da da.
(46:24) We're so happy family happy family. So in his mind the moment he saw me it would be the question and that's what we need to install. >> What if what if with this girl I would be happy? >> What if my dream would become true? Because he was heartbroken because that woman broke his heart and it also affected his ego.
(46:51) That's why he was hiring prostitutes every single night because he was using them because he didn't want emotional attachments. So when men hiring prostit prostitutes because they are heartbroken, they have PTSD and they don't want emotional attachments. That's why they are going to this escorts >> paid girls. >> Okay. >> I have one question for this but I'll ask that later.
(47:15) Yeah, >> let's do it now. >> Okay. So uh we'll continue this story but you know there are a lot of men who say that uh we don't pay for sex we don't like to pay for sex >> but they do >> a lot of men say that >> that >> yeah but they do >> what they like to do is manipulate girl take over take them over for drink dinner and then >> and then say oh I love you I will marry you let's go and have >> not even marry oh I like you let's sleep around >> let's sleep around yes let's hang out yeah of course a lot of men they're so
(47:47) insecure they'd rather pay for sex that's why prostitution is the most ancient >> correct >> profession correct so what after this >> so with Vladimir when he was sort of ready we already had one of the member of my team who was already >> undercover in the group he was like little drug dealer so he would get supplements and he would sort of sell it bring the money and become come more or less trustable drug dealer but he's undercover >> but at the same time he was bringing him girls oh I have this girl she's a
(48:28) student u she needs some money you know students they don't have like you know money you know do you want to f her tonight yeah >> and he would bring him girls but he wouldn't bring him beautiful girls he would bring him girls but not good enough for him to get attachment Then my turn. >> Your entry. >> And then it's my turn.
(48:54) I'm wearing that clothes. I uh walk in >> and again like I do say it in my master classes and YouTube everywhere. >> Yeah. >> It's very important the way you walking into the room. So I walk in, I don't look at him. Okay. I walk in like you know this uh you know I I I'm I'm worth it. I'm I'm beautiful. I am independent. I'm a student.
(49:27) at the time of course I was in student and I'm here just to hang out in this beautiful club and I started to dance and like smile and all this and also uh we installed some other guys that they would come to me and flirt with me >> and I would like ignore them or like you know like tell them off >> so we would show that I am de in demand I'm popular and then my undercover team like this member of my him.
(49:56) He would like, "Oh, I would like to introduce you to Vladimir." So I I come in very important to look into the eyes for at least three seconds, look down like you're a little bit shy, look left like you're thinking about something, and then look back to his eyes and smile. This is also one of the technique.
(50:23) And uh uh That's it. I started to have like this conversation. I knew what he liked by that time, what kind of stories to tell him. So, uh, of course, he's surrounded by like enormous amount of girls like gold diggers, hookers, whatever. >> And I needed to come closer to him, >> but I wasn't pretending that I'm particular like prostitute or something.
(50:48) I was there, but not there. Yeah. >> So, it was like a game like >> I want you but like I'm shy and like I don't know. Maybe yes, maybe no. Uhuh. >> Confusing him. >> Yes. Confusing. It's it's a game. You know, everybody likes to play especially Vladimir strong man that time. He is he was seeking emotions.
(51:13) He was see seeking something alluring, something exciting because everything is routine, you know, like everything becomes routine. You have the best girls in the world. So what? You have a lot of money. So >> how did you break that routine? >> Emotional swings. >> What was you know what did you offer which was like very different from >> manipulation.
(51:34) >> I manipulated him uh what I said like the strategy before. >> So I gave him enough attention but then I pulled out. Then again attention then a pull down >> the hot and cold behavior. >> Huh? >> The hot and cold behavior. >> So hot and cold. Uh in actually this techniques called circles of hell. So >> circles of hell. Yes. Okay.
(52:00) >> So I would put him into the you know like into this circles of circles of circles and in the center is me as a prize. But like he's constantly constant constantly in the circles. When he does something good, I I give him something like as a reward. When he does something bad, I just ignore him. >> Oh, what what would you give him? >> What is that? >> Like keys or maybe BG.
(52:31) >> But when he behaves as a bad boy, I'm like, "Oh, sorry. I need to do my homework. I'm busy today." >> Okay, >> you know what I'm saying? You understand what I'm saying? BG, right? So yes, ladies, BG is only as a reward. [laughter] >> Okay. Yeah. >> Only >> only reward. >> Only as a reward. >> A good boy. >> A good boy only.
(52:54) [laughter] Uh so um this emotional swings manipulation of course and uh then he already has trusted me enough where I started to be with him as his girlfriend. >> Okay. [snorts] And of course together with my team I wouldn't be able to do it by myself. We have created a lot of entertaining things like um you know this adrenaline >> rush >> and at the same time you have intercourse this is anchor this is the biggest anchor for any man >> he becomes addicted.
(53:34) So we would do this a lot for example. Okay just an example very very fast extreme driving and you do BG during that driving. >> Okay. >> For example >> interesting >> or like teenagers they they go to roller coaster and they're like ah roller coaster and then in the toilet they do whatever they do.
(53:54) You know what I'm saying? >> Oh yeah. >> Adrenaline. Adrenaline because adrenaline it's all about our chemical hormones. Yes. >> Okay. So this is how you used to you know keep him in control and get a lot of information from him. >> I I would get information just simply because I was there. I I I heard all his conversations. I met all his colleagues.
(54:14) I mean criminals. >> Girl to girl. Tell me how was it dating you? >> Criminal. >> Oh it was amazing. [laughter] >> It's like being celebrity. >> Yeah. H at [laughter] some point now I think like maybe I like my celebrity lifestyle because like I miss that life. I'm joking. No, it's like you know. Okay, so let me explain.
(54:38) >> You must be getting a lot of gifts, a lot of attention, a lot of you know people scared of you. >> Respect. >> Respect. >> So okay that time I'm talking about 2000s in Russia criminals were celebrities. So who is the biggest celebrity in India? >> Celebrity there are Bollywood actors. Well, imagine him in Russia, but he's a criminal lord.
(55:03) >> Imagine how people treat him. >> That's the way Vladimir was treated in Russia. >> Wherever you go. >> Okay. >> So, that's the And you're his girlfriend. >> Amazing. And you were used to that kind of attention then. You loved it. I uh I mean who doesn't like when like you know people praise you and respect you and uh you know take care about you and uh just like you know there for you. Of course.
(55:32) >> What what are the weird habits that these criminals have? Have you come across >> habits? Habits of criminals lots of drugs >> lots of alcohol and prostitutes and gambling. Why? again because they understand deeply inside of them that doing crime is not good. They understand that >> somewhere deep deep deep inside >> and in order to get out of this reality they are trying to numb their brain by using alcohol or drugs.
(56:07) >> Okay. Interesting. So there's a technique that you were talking about. You spoke about the adine rush also. Uh but uh you know in one of your videos you talked about uh this technique of yours which you do before walking into a highstake room or before going on a date or before meeting somebody very important >> right and I I don't believe a lot of people in India know about it and it would be very interesting for them to know that you mentioned using a vibrator in Yes.
(56:43) >> Before meeting people or >> we spoke at Lisa Belu women impact. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I mean if it's okay for Indian culture I don't know you know in America it's quite open. Everybody like quite okay with that. Uh in India I respect Indian tradition. So if I'm okay to speak about this in a more like seductive way.
(57:07) >> Yeah. >> Um okay. So how does it work? I'm just explaining from the science perspective first and then I will explain how does it work in >> correct because because what I want to know here is when you walk in that room you know you have mentioned that the you know all men are looking at you people are looking at you and uh it's just that energy that you are giving out >> correct so what is that >> and does that work for every woman >> of course for every woman and every man absolutely Okay, >> it's all about anchoring your own brain
(57:42) as I said before. >> And if you don't have yet maybe people who are lifting you up and praising you and complimenting you and believing in you, >> this technique works. >> Yeah. >> Use it for you because in the end of the day, this is your life. You want to be the best version of yourself. You want to be successful.
(58:05) You want to be respectful. You want to have the best, right? So do it for you. >> Okay. >> Uh because from science position if we anchor our brain and there are a few anchors. Number one audible. >> Choose song which makes you super high super wow it's your let's say lucky song >> and you put the song every time you feel anxiety stress.
(58:35) Number two anchor the body anchor. Place the anchor on your body. And when I said about the highest peak of emotions, when you can anchor your partner is during intercourse, when it's an orgasm, that moment, you can place an anka on the body somewhere. Maybe for example, you can bite or kiss the ear or maybe like some spot on the shoulder, but it has to be very private.
(59:02) It shouldn't be hands because we always like handshake each other and whatever like it has to be special spot for you. Your spot. >> Okay. >> So at that moment of education or having an orgasm you either kiss either press either like a little bit like bite this spot. And then we have another anchor which is the word anchor.
(59:27) And you can say any word for example but it has to be also your word you are my lion like or you you are the best everybody says but you can say like um >> you're better like something animal like whatever he likes like you are like Mr. Bond or like you are Mr. or you're my tiger or like take me like a tiger or like whatever his favorite movie character Spider-Man I don't know whatever whatever he is into.
(1:00:00) >> So basically try to make him feel like an alpha man. >> Yes. >> You know in my previous question you were answering that there's a 15 20 minute gap or a window correct when you have intercourse and uh you have to make that man like an alpha man you mentioned. So do what do you think is that is the period that is the time when the man is vulnerable.
(1:00:25) >> The most vulnerable. Yes. After education. Yes. He's the most vulnerable because his brain is relaxed and you can install and program his brain much easily. >> So you can feed anything inside his brain without I want a new bag. I want a new car [laughter] >> without him knowing it. Right. >> Well, you know what? Uh you of course you know you can whisper oh look at this picture.
(1:00:53) Oh you know what I have a great example maybe like that's uh I I have a great example. Okay so I had um relationship with one man >> and I um I have um a principle. I never buy jewelry myself. It's just my principle. >> Okay. [laughter] >> Okay. >> Just counting the jewelry. Oh, it's not all. Believe me, I have I'm like Elizabeth Taylor.
(1:01:18) >> Okay. >> So, uh again, see, you presented me bracelets. Uh it's just my principle. >> Okay. >> Not because of something. I um I do invest money into properties. >> Uh and jewelry for me is something like uh you know, accessories. So, anyway, >> so I desperately wanted this new collection of Tiffany. >> Mhm.
(1:01:44) I was going crazy but of course I'm like I can afford it but >> so I'm like >> principles. >> Yeah the rules >> and ladies never ask your man I want this bite for me. >> Okay >> man will never do this. You have to create a desire in man to gift it to you. How to do it? I will yes I will tell you how. [gasps] >> And uh this is very powerful. So anchoring as well.
(1:02:15) So in the beginning I said to him when we were like having already fun and like after intercourse we were laying in bed and like you know going getting ready to sleep. I'm like I want to show you my favorite movie which like is iconic. It's with Audrey Hburn breakfast at Tiffany's. It's so beautiful.
(1:02:35) But you know that this movie is actually the whole commercial advertisements for Tiffany. >> Correct. Correct. But beautiful movie. >> I saw the movie. Yeah. It's there on Netflix also. >> Yeah. >> So, breakfast at Tiffany's. It's all about Tiffany's. Tiffany's Tiffany's. Okay. Nothing else. We watch the movie. >> Go to bed. >> Then time goes by. Da da da da da.
(1:02:55) Then in LA, I'm like, "Oh my god, look, Tiffany. A Bilbert. Do you remember the movie we watched together? Breakfast at Tiffany's?" >> Yeah. >> Because it's not a male movie, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's such a gorgeous necklace. Oh, this collection is so amazing. Oh, I love it. That's it. That's it. >> That's it.
(1:03:14) >> Then social media scrolling down. Look, my friend. She's so cool, right? This is my friend for so long. Look, but she's wearing these Tiffany earrings. She's amazing. I know her for five years. She's cool, right? Okay. Then it comes like uh St. Valentine's or whatever. Like, you know, and like >> it's already planted in his brain.
(1:03:38) This is social engineering. And then you walk through the Tiffany's. [gasps] Do you remember Tiffany's? Yeah. This is the best brand, Tiffany. Yeah. I love it so much. And then guess what? Tiffany >> manipulation. [laughter] That's how manipulation. >> That's how you get gifts, ladies. Not like, oh, I want this bite for me.
(1:03:59) >> You're right. You're correct. Don't just ask. >> No. >> Plant it in his brain. Right. Correct. Okay. So tell me uh when we talk about manipulation right we spoke a lot about this I want to know um most people think that a liar someone who is lying to me will just walk away but what have they taught you what is that technique uh where you come to know that he's lying or he's not lying to me or he's loving or he's real >> how to understand who is lying who is not >> who's Not >> uh this is quite big topic but um
(1:04:41) >> just just one technique >> just one technique. Okay. >> Can I come to know through his eyes? >> Ah like when you just meet a new person. >> Yeah. >> Okay. When you just >> for example I meet someone at the bar >> like you meet man in the bar. >> How to understand is he really married or is he really single? [laughter] >> Very simple.
(1:05:07) M >> you don't need to ask are you married? >> Nobody does that single. >> Yeah. Nobody does that. >> Yeah. Where where is your like a ring? Are you single or not? >> Very simple. We start from like when you were a little boy. What was your dream? >> Is that not boring to ask someone who's a stranger? >> It's all about his dreams.
(1:05:28) It's all about him. Don't forget men particular men they love talk about themselves and you have to perform of course active listening >> and with this eyes I contact active listening and asking questions and all this >> then from this childhood college >> work it's a long story >> yeah but you have to listen if you really want to know if you're really into by >> and you want to know you need to got the information >> please go who want do >> speak less agents they speak >> less >> less they listen >> more
(1:06:11) >> all this my friends actually tell me you know it's funny like I'm speaking with someone on the phone but at the same time I'm listening what other conversation going on there yeah or like in the restaurant I'm like uh it's just a habit so listen ask questions and then slowly delay the conversation will go there >> and then if he for example says yes I'm single blah blah blah I'm not in relationship the next time you meet or whatever you ask and you you must remember what he told you you test him oh by the way do you remember about
(1:06:46) Johnny you told me like this like by the way is he married or not and he mentioned about like Johnny and that he's married and that they were traveling together because like why would single guy would travel with the married couple somewhere Yeah. Yeah. >> In India, arranged marriages are built on a foundation on trust.
(1:07:03) There's a lot of uh background checkup. Families just they check you know who the other family is, everything. There's a lot of community trust, background check, family background check, everything. So everything is supposed to be transparent here before you get married. Correct? That is called an arranged marriage. M >> but before the marriage there's a courtship period period of 3 to four months >> where the girl and the boy kind of dates >> they get to know each other and they >> they they know they go [laughter] >> they get to know each other and uh and
(1:07:41) they try and keep themsel as best the best version of themsel. >> Yeah. >> What do you call this? This is also a manipulation, a trap or how do you see it? >> I wouldn't see as it as a trap. We, you know, when we meet someone new, we always want to have like the best expression of us impression of anyone. It's normal.
(1:08:04) I mean, we all human beings. We all want that. But that's why it's so important to spend more time before obviously marriage more time and in different activities. I would advise if like in this particular situation in India, I would advise to do different sort of things. For example, go to um like do something activity like a sport, uh games, maybe bowling, meeting with friends, so you can see your future partner in different scenarios.
(1:08:35) It's not just like you and him watching a movie or uh I don't know, eating in the restaurant. You need to see your partner, your future partner in different scenarios and what other people also speak see about him or her. >> So you also analyze what social status does she or he has. >> Yeah.
(1:09:00) How they talk, how what is their behavior with different kind of people. >> How does he look at to another women? Maybe you're we together with him but he's like everyone else or maybe not like it depends you know. You can ask your girlfriend and said listen I will go to the toilet please tell him that I'm the best and I have so many like admires like you know asking me or there is another guy wants to marry me or something.
(1:09:23) So yeah you better to see your future partner in different scenarios and like with different people. >> Girls please remember this you know this is a great tip from you. Okay tell me something. uh India has believed uh to be friends with Russia for since like many many years. >> What are we for Russians? We believe in the friendship but how do you look from you know you know the inside out.
(1:09:51) Okay, I will tell you this is u very close to my heart because uh I was born in USA and the first movie I watched was Zita and Gita >> Sitha and Gita >> Sita and Gita >> Hamalini >> but in in in Russian they would translate Zita and Gita Sith and Gita >> and another one which I don't know how to pronounce in Hindi but it was uh Jimmy a Jimmy, Jimmy aa aa I mean that was the movie which was like every day >> nonstop. Okay.
(1:10:27) >> And of course Indian tea >> uh which I still remember that red you know bottle. >> Okay. >> And when in 2017 in London I was invited into the beauty pageent and I won which was like so shocking for me. I won this like Miss Asia in London. I was crowned by Sushita Sen. >> Yeah. >> I was like, "Oh my god, are you kidding me?" And it's like a a childhood dream >> like to come true.
(1:11:00) And also coming to India with all these my beautiful memories from childhood. It's also an anchor by the way. So yeah, India for Russians is very friendly, very uh hospital, very kind, very like you know just like warm people and culture and it's just only positive. I just would like to say that first of all I would like to meet and greet Indian people.
(1:11:26) So maybe like today tomorrow I would love to see everybody who comes uh and just like meet in person. I would love to do some charity work and go to support the orphan kids and victim of human trafficking. >> You you got some uh NOS's. >> Uh yes, I got some information from um you know from some people Indian people from like you know Russia money team from you as well.
(1:11:51) So I would like to do that and I would like to explore Indian culture because as I said like it's uh my childhood dream. >> Great. Okay. So uh I think we'll wrap it up with only one last question that I wanted to know that >> how traffickers actually recruit not strangers but you know the relationship builders as we see they first form any kind of relationship with the with their targets and then they you know uh trap them.
(1:12:19) >> Yeah. So I just will say in one sentence predators operates the same way. First of all, it's u love bombing online. They can find the target, send a lot of messages, say you are the best and all this compliments. Then isolation. So isolate the victim from parents, from friends, and then the kidnap. So it's all the same.
(1:12:44) So please guys, be careful. The strategy is the same. And uh that's why I'm here bringing awareness how to protect yourself from manipulators, predators, narcissists, toxic people and [laughter] criminals. >> Yeah, thank you so much Alia. It was pleasure talking to you and uh we had a fantastic fantastic time.
(1:13:04) I hope you meet a lot of Indian people and you enjoy a lot of Indian food. Thank you again. Learned a lot from you. Thank you. Namaste. Thank you. Namaste.