Abhigya Anand: Beyond the Predictions | The OMG Podcast #TheOMGPodcast #AbhigyaAnand #Spirituality

Abhigya Anand: Beyond the Predictions | The OMG Podcast #TheOMGPodcast #AbhigyaAnand #Spirituality

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(00:00) World War uh which will not be like World War very different from it, very fragmented, will take place after 2029. So, Trump's chart actually jump scared me the first time I was looking at it. You see the country gaining a strong political hold over centers of energy around the world. Another frontier may open uh more towards the Far East now.
(00:29) So, the conflict is basically moving east east. There is something that transcends our relative view of the past, present, and future. In the next 12 to 18 months, I don't think people need to fear a lot. >> Temples, traditions, culture, scriptures, Vedic mantras, all of this imbibed in our beautiful history. Welcome to the first of the Oh My God Talks, where we're going to uncover all of these things under a common umbrella of spirituality, bringing in multiple spiritual superstars for realistic conversation about our history, about
(01:13) tradition, about astrology, about many facets of spirituality that is going to keep you spellbound. But today, I'm going to be joined by our first exquisite speaker. Somebody What if I tell you that the future is not unwritten? It's actually written in a language that most of us cannot understand.
(01:31) But he I'm going to be joined by somebody who's actually understood that language at as early as when he was 11 years old. At 13, he started his own institute, the Pragyan Jyotish. And he goes on to try and master that language today and becoming an astrologer that the world really looks up in awe. I'm joined by somebody who in August 22, 2019 predicted that there's going to be a large-scale pandemic between November 2019 and April 2020, where millions of life might be lost.
(01:59) Nobody had heard of the word COVID by then, but his predictions came months before even such a pandemic took place. Since then, he's predicted earthquakes, he's predicted the Hamas war, he's predicted the Iran conflicts, all of this and much more, purely based on scientific research. He calls it DI, data and intuition. People call him a prodigy, people call him a persona, people call him a learned astrologer.
(02:25) We are joined by somebody who's all of this, but who's somebody who's very calm and imbibes by spirit and goes by data and intuition as a flow. I'm joined, we are truly privileged at Oh My God to be joined by the prodigy kid himself, Shri Abhigyanand Ji. >> Namaskaram Ji. >> Namaskaram and Jai Shri Krishna. Thank you so much for joining us at the Oh My God talk, and this is something very, very privileged for us to have you with us for a talk.
(02:51) Um astrology is not something that is just written on some pages of the newspaper as a grip, and people follow their star sign and see how my day is. >> Some say it is actually spirituality. Some say it's actually a science. Some say it's a spiritual science. What is your opinion that talks about astrology? Is it a spiritual science, or is it a science that has got something back in spirituality? >> Well, thank you for the introduction.
(03:14) Um I've been blessed by Bhagwan in this lifetime and in in some ways, and I'm still a learner of the language that you mentioned, the language of the future. And it is I have have been in the field for the past 10 years plus, and yet I feel every single day is a new learning. It's an ocean of knowledge. I've yet to taste a single drop of it.
(03:37) And the very first taste of this ocean itself has led me on this quest continually, and Bhagwan, whenever, you know, I have ebbs and flows in my interest in the field, Bhagwan has, you know, rejuvenated that with something from completely out of my control to let me continue on this path. And I'm sure and I hope that it leads to something greater for for society itself and for myself as well.
(04:07) But I'm no spiritual guru. All I aspire to is to revive Sanatana Dharma especially through the lens of Jyotisha and to ensure that it plays a major role for the development of our country, for the for the development of our people, and ultimately for global peace and well-being as well. So, to answer the first question about Jyotisha being a science or something in the spiritual domain, I would say that uh it is definitely a gateway to spirituality, but the path that the sages have laid in on that uh towards the gateway to spirituality, that path
(04:48) is basically Jyotisha. And let's just say it is a light that is cast on the paths to show the people how to read spirituality. But on the way it also helps you with many material facets. It lets you know when uh when there is going to be an increase in prosperity, when there is going to be danger, when one must be careful, and ultimately the purpose of Jyotisha is to show you how Maya works basically.
(05:13) Everything in this material world, be it be prosperity, be it decline, be it be it the beauty of the world, be it the ugliness in different aspects that are, you know, woven together in in uh in so many different ways, it's actually a very beautiful tapestry, the entire world that we see around us, the interactions we experience throughout the day.
(05:35) We look at it as variegated, but in reality it is one, as Advaita says, as Vedanta says, it is one. The rishis have clearly told us that the reason why there is suffering is that we see everything in a variegated manner, but you, me, and everyone here basically is inside that that illusion.
(05:55) We are all experiencing the world as different. Jyotisha eventually allows you to see it as one. None of us have reached that level, but it allows you to see it as one. So, initially as you master any field, be it mathematics, be it even the medical field, going deep into the anatomy, the biology of the human body, and going deeper into say physics or chemistry, any field, you'll eventually connect with spirituality.
(06:19) Similarly with Jyotisha, although the the you know, the number of spiritual subjects and the involvement of spirituality is little higher in Jyotisha, every scientific field ultimately leads you to spirituality. For example, a very great mathematician who has immersed himself in the subject so deeply that eventually all those variegated numbers converge towards one truth.
(06:45) is also a spiritualist. Similarly, a scientist who looks at the world initially as a division of materials, eventually realizes that it is one, and it is possible to attain that even through a total immersion in science. Similarly, if you go deeper into Jyotisha, eventually when you start off in the field, you look at everything as you know, the world is variegated, you divide spaces.
(07:11) Essentially, that's what Jyotisha is. You have this one large ecliptic belt, you're surrounded by a celestial sphere, and you cut it into different parts and try to assign values to those parts and make predictions on the basis of that. But eventually as you go deeper, I hope at least that I start to see everything as one with the grace of that divine supreme being.
(07:34) And before we continue, I'd like to pay my tribute and request for the blessings of Bhagwan, pray for his blessings with this beautiful prayer dedicated to Surya Deva in the amazing words of the great saint and sage, expert of Jyotisha Varahamihira. So, let us begin. All praise be to the great Surya
(08:26) Bhagwan. Surya in Jyotisha is not just a graha, not just a star, not just, you know, a certain entity, but it is the very principle of light, truth that we all aspire to achieve someday. We're all stuck in different aspects of our life, but when we look at the sun, all of our struggles seem so small and at the same time we're enveloped by that warmth of the divine being in front of us.
(08:53) For the earth, for human beings, for plant life, for everything that exists around us, it's basically the sun that's the source. So, every time I look for something inspirational, I just look at the sun. My day begins with Surya and it must also end with the sun. So, thank you again for listening to me and having me here. >> What a What an awe-inspiring explanation about spirituality and science and so beautifully and so figuratively narrating saying everything leads up.
(09:23) Our paths could be different, but the purpose and the just destiny is about spirituality. And you told about a scientist, mathematician. I'll rather extend it beyond and say when a musician composes a music score, he becomes one with spirituality. You feel spirituality when you are in that process when an artist conceives something.
(09:41) And so is astrology as a science of spirituality, but it takes in inputs in the form of numbers, in the form of data, and uses your intuition, but eventually it's a spiritual process and beautifully intertwining Dwaita Adwaita into this whole thing is something fabulous. Thank you for that extended wonderful clarity from a layman's perspective.
(10:00) I think so it's it's so beautifully articulated. Having got there, let us go and uncover who's the man behind or should I say the kid behind Abhigyan because he's still young, he's a Gen Z, and let's uncover the human behind this beautiful prodigy. Abhigya ji, you started predictions and started learning about this when you were 11 years old.
(10:20) In 13 made your first prediction with the whole Pragna Jyotisha as well. When all other kids in your relevant age are still trying to figure out trying to figure out mathematics or science or whatever, this is way beyond I think the initial comparison I can bring is somebody called Vaibhav Suryavanshi who's a 15-year-old prodigy cricketer who's just made the world proud.
(10:41) And that also he took 15 years to make it happen, but in 11 predicting outcomes of world is something phenomenal. How did that phase feel? And what made you delve into that? >> I'd just say since the age of three I've loved history actually and reading stuff basically just absorbing information wherever it comes to me.
(11:01) I've also been figuring out for example I'm no expert in mathematics, physics, chemistry, biology. I've always loved these subjects but I'm still figuring out how I can learn them more and more. So my hyper focused interest was in history. So I remember my parents used to get me these little books on geography and history and until I get the next book I used to read the same ones over and over again two or three times each book and if I don't have anything else to do because my parents made a very good decision of not giving me a
(11:31) single device, smartphone, or an internet connection, in fact, at least until I was 14 or 15. I did not even have access to a desktop PC, let alone anything else. Forget about a smartphone. None of No one in my family has a smartphone, basically, except for me now. So, that really allowed me to experience boredom on a regular basis and find ways to kill it in very creative manners.
(11:57) And one was memorizing text. So, my mother introduced me to the Bhagavad Gita at the age of six. So, I memorized the Gita in about six, seven months. Why? Because I did not have much to distract myself with. For example, now, if you tell me to memorize a text, I'll probably be way slower than what I was capable of when I was younger, because now I have so many things to think of and so many aspects I'm working on.
(12:20) So, it's hard to memorize. So, I think that was one of the most important things. And from there, I got introduced to Samskritam. And I studied Samskritam. I started speaking in Samskritam. It was encouraged at home as well. And from Samskritam, obviously, you want to know the meaning of the Bhagavad Gita. Lord Krishna, throughout, has been a guiding force and inspiration in several aspects and a the supreme teacher, basically.
(12:43) And he's he's he's Bhagwan and everything for us and our entire family. So, learning the Gita in his own words, in Samskritam, in the Deva Bhasha, has been a guiding force. And from there, Samskritam, from there, Jyotisha. The class just opposite was that of Jyotisha. I got, just, you know, randomly, I'd say, by Bhagwan's grace, connected to the class.
(13:06) I learned Kannada just to understand Jyotisha, because at the time I was not very fluent in Kannada, but the classes were in Kannada, weekly classes. And I got introduced that way. And the teachers, of course, were very skeptical of me learning astrology. So, I had to do some preparation work before meeting them and learning it, for which my parents took me to a nearby bookstore.
(13:26) And when I picked up the first book on Jyotisha by Dr. B.V. Raman, I definitely recommend anyone interested in Jyotisha to just go through his books, keep reading them one after the other, and even if you don't get those points, read them over and over again because they are amazing. And the first time I laid my eyes on those papers, on those pages, something in me told me that this is probably not the first time I've read this, and some of those concepts are very easy to understand.
(13:54) Thanks to my teachers again at Divya Jyoti College of Astrology there, on a regular basis I was getting good insights from them, from their experience, but the real breakthrough came when I began to study the original scriptures of Jyotisha written by the sages, the Brihat Jataka, the Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra, along with my knowledge of Sanskrit, which was rudimentary at the time and has developed ever since.
(14:20) So, it really helped me understand what the sages meant when they are speaking about something and apply it properly. Eventually, of course, I started applying those concepts very early. I did not wait for a green signal from anyone to start applying those concepts. Began because I had this interest in history, I started to correlate historical events to planetary combinations.
(14:41) Instead of focusing on individuals, there are many great people who focus a lot on individuals. I began to apply these principles immediately to historical patterns. And my approach was macrocosm to microcosm because that interested me the most. There are other people who start from the micro cosm and build their way to the macrocosm.
(14:58) So, and that is how I got introduced to Jyotisha. And again, I made certain predictions as well, but we'll come to that soon. >> Mind-blowing. I mean, you you told us the path that led you to the prediction. You told about the starting point is actually Bhagavad Gita. I also read that you recited the entire Gita when you were at eight by heart.
(15:17) >> I believe. So, at age of seven I presented the Gita to Jagadguru, the Shankaracharya of the Sringeri Matha, and that was wonderful. And they some people at the Matha gave me the guidance to study Samskritam because obviously, once you memorize the Gita, there is a yearning to understand the meaning. Like, why are you memorizing in the first place? But the Vedic tradition is that you memorize first and you understand later.
(15:43) So, so that those concepts, those ideas remain with you for a long time. So, even now when I'm about to take a big decision on any front, because as a Jyotishi, you take many decisions in a day. Every single prediction assessment you make is a decision. So, the Bhagavad Gita gives me inspiration to take those decisions.
(16:01) And I think that's the most important thing. Anyone looking to learn Jyotisha should have a background in the Gita as well. >> Beautiful how the Gita paves way for you to master Jyotisha and the starting point. Your early journey is very, very inspiring. You told about your interest in history. I binge on a lot of history as well and I'm very passionate about reading about some bit of history, specifically about India's independence and the struggle around it and unheard of heroes.
(16:25) What is your favorite aspect or subject of history? >> My favorite subject of history is supposed to be, you know, those few intersections. I believe Lenin once said that there are decades when not much happens. And there are weeks when decades happen. So, I focus on those weeks when decades happen because those are the most interesting parts of history.
(16:50) And then I study the lull that comes in between. When there's relative peace, there's relative prosperity, but nothing big on the positive or negative side. Humanity is just eating on what has been built by the people who lived in the weeks that were like decades. So, I focus on those time frames. And as of course one of them would be the early 13th century, the early 14th century again, then the early 17th century.
(17:19) And again, now the 21st century. So yeah, I mean there there are periods of time throughout history which I focus on and everything from politics to culture to you know socio-economic aspects, how people interact. Obviously I'm also immersed in Maya. I rarely rarely get to have a few glimpses outside of it. Very very rare that too when you know I'm really focusing on my meditation but rest of the time my mind is actually going into these cycles and history because I'm very interested in how people interact and how the environment
(17:50) interacts with people and vice versa. So >> So that that's the historical backing where your history helps you to try and predict the future as well. So very interesting to binge on that. I'm going to directly cut the chase and go to that one wow moment. August 2019 when you saw the charts and predicted there's going to be a pandemic-like situation in few months from now.
(18:13) What did you see in the charts that made you make that prediction? >> In order to have found that combination I I I you know had to be very lucky in the first place or I had to be a super genius with a sort of LLM-like you know thinking ability which I do not have obviously. So it was Bhagwan's grace I would say.
(18:33) I was just sitting in front of the Arunachala hill in the morning just finished my puja and stuff and normally Jyotishis look into the Panchanga right? So you just flip the pages and you go through it. I believe what we see as coincidences in the world most of them aren't really you know most of them might be actual coincidences due to the interaction between different things but some of them are really divinely inspired and I and I feel I have I have been blessed to have experienced that a few times.
(19:01) So this was one of them. I was just randomly flipping through the pages of the Panchanga. Normally you just look at today's page. As I told you I did not have access to the internet so you have to use books in order to look at everything. So I was just Normally, you just look at today's page. In Nikki and the nakshatram and the now, what is today's, you know, what is today's nakshatra, what is today's rashi? That's all you want to see.
(19:24) But then, that day for some reason, I just looked at the next few pages. I remember that very vividly. At the, you know, corner of the panchangam, you have those movements of the grahas very clearly written. So, one of those combinations for 2020 was a mathematical rarity. In fact, it started in November 2019. So, the page on November 2019 gradually progressed into something more severe by December, by January, then February, March, it started to accelerate those combinations.
(19:51) In astrological jargon, I'd say that, you know, basically, Guru and Shani, that is Jupiter and Saturn were coming together in a conjunction that Varahamihira described as Kosha in his Brihat Samhita, where he says Sammoha Kosha Bhayado Prajanam. He says that when Jupiter and Saturn come very close to one another flanked by the other grahas, it shall cause tremendous fear amongst the people. That's what he says.
(20:14) So, then, that was like an aha moment for me. Like, God, this is something that's a mathematical astronomical rarity, and I must go deeper into this. So, I found historical parallels to this in 1941, 1917 when we had the Spanish flu, which killed about 2 to 3% of the global population easily at the time, a large number.
(20:37) And 1941, of course, World War II in full swing. And it also had some parallels to 1206 when Genghis Khan, as I say most of my podcasts, basically was elected by his tribes and took on the role of taking over the world. And he did a massive campaign, which had remarkable repercussions on the entire world. So, basically, these historical parallels led me to the relative conclusion that there's going to be something massive in 2020, unprecedented scale, severity, and the basic pace at which things which will happen would be unprecedented. That was
(21:14) the That was the semi conclusion I arrived at. And I decided to make a video about it. At the time I was very very confident about things. I used to, you know, the moment I'm say 70% sure about something, I would speak about it. I was that type of person. Of course, you know, mellowed down a bit over the years, obviously, because you wouldn't want to do something very stupid.
(21:35) So, at that time I was like very confident. So, I patched together whatever I had with me, did some more analysis, worked on it for a few days, and on the 22nd I released a video saying, "Here it is. There is going to be a massive either a major world war because parallels, a massive disease that will infect millions of people, kill millions of innocent people.
(21:55) " In my words, "There will be a stock market crash and a short recession. And all of this will happen between November 2019 and April 2020 with March to April being the time for the economic contraction." Now, I just posted the video and didn't care whatever people speak about me. It doesn't matter because at that time that that was a kind of confidence I had.
(22:16) And of course, the comments started rolling in in November. Like, "Kuch bhi nahi hua." You know, "Nothing has happened." And December, again, nothing has happened. And the World Economic Forum and the other organizations issued growth forecasts for 2020, which were very optimistic. And there comes January and some whispers of the pandemic begin.
(22:37) And by February it's in full swing. Lockdowns begin towards the end of the week. March, the economy contracts. April, again, contracts. The whole world is gripped by fear. In the words of Varahamihira, "Samoha koshau bhayadau prajanam." Fear grips the world. And that's when I realized this is no ordinary science. Nor is it an ordinary uh coincidence that I chanced upon these combinations at the right time and place.
(23:01) There's probably a reason. And this probably is beckoning me to study the field in in further detail. And I of course thank the Lord went deeper into the field since then and I don't regret any of it. However, I think this has a greater purpose perhaps to tell me individually that the world is basically not the kind of not the kind of playground we think it is.
(23:29) It's probably something greater than that. And this there is something that transcends our relative view of the past, present, and future. I don't know it. But the sages have told us. And I think this is this was this was one thing in my spiritual journey as well. Yeah. >> Woah. This was like reading a Hitchcock novel.
(23:49) This was like following a Christopher Nolan movie. It's just unearthing a series of specu- not speculations, but interesting analogies one after the other. One that wow moment that you spoke about and and in the way you put it forth, etc. And of course, what you eventually did predict was something earth-shattering, something life-changing, which is phenomenal.
(24:07) I hope we don't get to a situation like that ever again in the future, but we can just pray. We can only pray, but you will have data to say whether it is or not, but we'll come to that. But that COVID-19 obviously made you that prediction not just in India, but [clears throat] globally there started being a fan following.
(24:22) People started recognizing and knowing you as a Jyotish who's really talking in terms of global sense. We've not heard people talk global sense so far. And that made you a kind of a local figure maybe and I know you do more visits to Russia and Japan and Vietnam where you're much more popular and famous. How is people's appetite for astrology and Jyotisha there because it's a science that originated here? We could be deep-rooted, but there people are binging on this and following you like crazy.
(24:50) Tell us about their appetite for astrology and Jyotisha. How about they consumed all of this over the years? >> [laughter] >> In fact, yes, the moment all of this happened and I rose to fame so quickly. Uh Of course, it comes with its own negative side as well. There's a positive side to it. Positive side, of course, on the material side of things, things, you know, changed suddenly.
(25:11) But, the downside is that people start to start to basically manufacture their own predictions and attach your name to it. Basically, imposters. Imposters galore. There were like seven, eight Facebook accounts in my name, Twitter accounts in my name, Instagram accounts in my name. And I, as you know, I was not allowed to use the internet.
(25:31) So, I don't even know what's happening, basically. And my parents are least bothered as well. They're actually They're actually not really worried about the publicity, and and they don't want me to get involved with it, which also is a good decision in many ways. But, the the downside of it is that behind you, there are tens of people posting fake content and stuff.
(25:50) Obviously, the real fame and everything reached many parts of the world. And in some of the parts, like in Taiwan and in Southeast Asia, the media is extremely free in Taiwan particularly. So, you really can't sue them, no matter what they spout out. And unfortunately for me, they started manufacturing predictions in my name every other day.
(26:10) I was told because I did predict an earthquake in Taiwan, for example. Let me just give an example. I predicted an earthquake in Taiwan, and it actually happened sort of March 2024, I guess. And and I did not predict any other earthquake after that. My channel, as most of our viewers know, I post very few videos in a year, maybe three or four.
(26:30) But, since there is that silence in between, other people want to fill in there, and they started saying Abhigya has predicted an earthquake to come in Taiwan again and again. And then, the real estate prices in those cities started falling, basically. I was told that when I went to Taiwan last time, shockingly, someone, you know, in the industry there told me that, "Your predictions are really wreaking havoc here.
(26:52) You should you should basically speak about it. And I tried my best to basically calm them down and tell them that they shouldn't be taking things so seriously. And even if I said something, you're not going to take it this seriously. Really. You you you still have to use your own critical thinking.
(27:09) Understand? Because again, I'm coming from a standpoint of data. There's a little bit of intuition. Intuition is very blurry. Data is also not very clear. Most of the time, by God's grace, 90% of the time I've gotten things right. But past performance does not guarantee future results. You have to use your own critical thinking. And I think despite the high education in those countries, it's a little hard to stop the people from binging on this content.
(27:34) And if you're watching it from these countries, I would recommend that of course I I really appreciate that you follow my work so closely. But I think looking at my channel instead of the alternate sources would be much better. So thank you. >> Lovely. And this appetite across the world. And once they saw this coming in the earthquake you predicted, they changed their perspective that this is a science worth following.
(27:57) Isn't it? And you stamped the authority of astrology across the world in your own spiritual way. And people look at the nine grids and they look at individuals as they say. So they start micro and go macro. But you grew macro to wipe this across the across continents, which is which is awesome.
(28:14) But here is a trick question for you. Like you, I may also be able to predict this answer. But I'm seeing if I get the same answer from you. Has there been any one prediction of yours which you've made and you secretly hoped that you were proved wrong? >> Yeah. I mean that was the first one because that was kind of terrifying. At the same time you talk about COVID.
(28:32) Yeah. Yeah. In fact, but the same time there was more there was more awe and it was it was very awe-inspiring in a very neutral sense. Not positive, not negative. The whole situation was awe-inspiring for some reason because you could just see how the patterns are playing out in the world. Of course, you feel bad for the victims of the whole situation.
(28:58) But at the end of the day, you just realize that that is how the world works and you can try your little best in some way to reduce suffering. But but at the end of the day, you're not responsible for it in a significant manner and it's helpful to just alert the people. That's your duty. Whether they act on it or not is is is of their concern.
(29:19) And you just hope for the best. You pray. And that is where Homer's heavens meditation and all of that comes up and a lot of people are meditating today. And when they get to know of these predictions, they're very empathetic people essentially, people who meditate for extended periods of time. With their empathy, they can pray deeply more than normal people.
(29:38) And they can actually affect the outcome. My humble opinion at least. This might seem like a very wild idea for most people. But but people on a relatively spiritual path who listen to their gurus, we all know that Dhyana when collectively done properly can really affect the outcome positively. And that doesn't change the destiny though.
(29:58) It's already part of the destiny. So >> You spoke about talking about the fact you spoke about Dharma and Sanatana in a lot of places. My next area of focus is exactly talking about these specific aspects. Today, a term that is used vividly at at many forums. It could be in Parliament buildings. It could be in political speeches.
(30:17) It could be in memes or on social media is Sanatana Dharma. People find it cool to try and talk and invoke things about Sanatana Dharma. But it's we we are keen to try and understand from an expert on You know, I want to strip Sanatana Dharma of the noise and only speak about the core of what Sanatana Dharma it is for an Am Aadmi for them to understand.
(30:36) In your words, what will it be? >> Correct. So, Dharma is basically a set of principles. It's not exactly religion. You can use the term to connote religion as well, but religion is a more Abrahamic and later concept. Dharma existed way before that. So, for example, Lord Shri Krishna emphasizes the importance of Dharma.
(30:59) Set of principles. In this context that, you know, we are supposed to use it in in at least in the context I'm speaking about it at the moment, it's basically a set of principles that have been given to us by the wise sages who saw the right future for humankind and who have given us the set of principles starting with Lord Shri Krishna himself in the Bhagavad Gita.
(31:21) A simple few verses there you would find in the 16th chapter, basically. Ahimsa satyam akrodha abhaya satva samshuddhi jnana yoga vyavasthiti danam damash cha yajnas cha swadhyayas tapa arjavam ahimsa satyam akrodha tyaga shanti apaishunam daya bhuteshu aloluptvam mardavam hrih achapalam teja kshama dhriti shaucham adroha na atimanita.
(31:44) So, these are certain principles of life in general, non-violence, truthfulness, doing the right thing, and giving as much as one can, and sacrificing for the greater good, and focusing on the words of the divine sages, studying their works, etc. These are basically part of Dharma principles that are part of the daivi guna.
(32:05) And Lord Shri Krishna has elaborated this on in detail as well. It's actually very deep. I'm just showing a surface level excursion into this. So, um Dharma essentially is what must be done, the right principles that we must follow. The Dharma for a person who's a citizen of a country is to uphold the virtues, the culture of the country, and to make sure it aligns with the original principles of Dharma.
(32:30) The Dharma of of of of say a son or a daughter in a family is to again follow that particular precept of life that enables them to reach the divine eventually. So, Dharma is that one one of the four wheels that enables you to eventually reach your goal. And Sanatana Dharma is a set of eternal principles that don't change.
(32:49) For example, non-violence as a principle does not change by uh you know, in any era. For example, you you must follow the principle. Again, how you work on that principle can change based on circumstances. For example, if you're trying to prevent greater violence, which is very clearly coming to your population, you must you must eliminate that threat, for example.
(33:14) And in that way, you are securing your people to whom you owe a major debt. You're securing their future, and in that sense, you have to engage in Dharma Himsa. So, Dharma Himsa is also Ahimsa. Uh for example, some of these principles are immutable in many ways. The The principles are very strong. How you apply them is contextual.
(33:34) So, Sanatana Dharma is a set of principles that we all must follow. And Bharatiyas are particularly supposed beholden to follow the Sanatana Dharma principles. And again, this is not specifically linked to religion as a concept. This is universal. We have been following it for thousands of years, and we must continue to follow it, and we are proud of following it as Bharatiyas.
(33:54) And the whole world must actually espouse these principles, no matter what. >> So beautifully articulated. Very very crisply, very interestingly, very laymanish terms to try and say that these are a set of principles. Yes, this is not associated with the religion. Correct. These are must-to-have ingredients for a good meal.
(34:09) So, you add all of those ingredients. It's a path that you choose to follow. So, do your duty, basically. >> Yeah. >> Dharma again comes there with Bhagavad Gita saying uh Karmanye vadhikaraste ma phaleshu kadachana. So, do your duty, and these are the set of ingredients that add to your duty, and that is Sanatana Dharma.
(34:23) >> Yes. >> So, very beautifully, very interestingly articulated on that. This demystifies the whole myth on everybody talking about Sanatana Dharma. I'm taking a step forward and going into our temples. Right. Oh my god is constructed with the whole perspective of bringing the temple ecosystem a lot more prominence.
(34:38) Making devotee experience something more and unearthing the history and mystery behind some of our temples. Every temple possesses energies. Every temple is constructed with a particular energy. We've heard the story of an 80 ton rock on top of the Tanjore Big Temple and that's an architectural wonder. What do you infer from these energies that people are missing out? >> Yes.
(35:00) So, temples always constructed as a gateway for for everyone to experience the divine because the divine has as we say he's Achintya. He cannot be completely pictured, measured, or you know, put in a framework completely. But that doesn't mean that we cannot experience him in some facet of his. So, basically the sages have given us a certain set of guidelines through which we can experience the divine.
(35:24) It could be through yantras, particular geometrical measurements that they have given us and certain ways of looking at the divine. And the divine has incarnated several times on earth to guide humanity towards the right path. So, those incarnations are something that we must worship as well. Why do we worship them? So that we get connected to them eventually.
(35:46) And there there is a sort of relationship between the devotee and the deity. And this is a process. Now, there are different processes within the scope of Sanatana Dharma. You have Buddhism. You even have you have you have Jainism. You have Sikhism who embody, you know, different sorts of principles. In what we call today as Hinduism, wherein we worship the deities in their different forms.
(36:09) There is the Shakta tradition, the Shaiva, the Vaishnava tradition. It's all a way to connect with that deity, with the divine. And there's so many stories behind it as well. So, all of that comes together in a temple. So, what we call as a temple is a mixture of everything. You have musicians and music which comes to serve the divine.
(36:25) You have people educated in Vedanta who give gnana to the common masses. You have parayanas that go on. You have bhajans in Tamil, in Sanskrit, in Yeah, you have poets basically who come together and and give knowledge to the people. And then you have the deity of the architecture which which basically inspires people in so many ways.
(36:47) You have wonder, you know, all the emotions are brought out there. The navarasas are brought out right in the temple. You have everything. It's basically inviting every facet of society. People who are distressed also come to the temple to relieve themselves of distress. Even they are pulled in.
(37:03) Sometimes people say, you know, you shouldn't visit a temple keeping in a material thing in your mind. Say, "Cure me of a disease or help me, you know, gain livelihood." But actually speaking, Lord Shri Krishna says that even those are his devotees. Arto jignasur artharthi gyani cha bharatarshabha. Of course, the the the highest level is when you you approach the divine purely to know him and to to be one with him, of course.
(37:28) But even the common man who's suffering, like every one of us who's suffering with different things in our lives, have every right to reach out to the Lord like a child reaching out to the parent. The temple is an avenue to connect that devotee with the divine. And I think aesthetics matters a lot for a temple, which is why the ancient people spent everything, large percentages of their GDP at that time to construct beautiful temples to inspire awe and to invite people to come there.
(37:59) And I think we must take care of those traditions, ensure that that beauty, those aesthetics, are experienced by the common man in a beautiful manner, by every one of us. And everyone, including even if you're deep into the gnana path, you're very philosophical in nature, you really can't help but admire the beauty of the Lord in the temples.
(38:19) And that's just beautiful. And I think we must uphold the temples. Absolutely. And we in our mission to try and unearth some of these wonders when we go behind temples to find out the architectural wonder, why this is constructed this way, why is it got 1,000 pillars, and each pillar if you go underneath you can actually put a piece of cloth and it comes from one side and goes in another side.
(38:39) So, these beauty and traditions need to be known to the world at large. And if we don't say it to the next generation, who else will? And that place is a conglomeration of energy because thousands and millions of years the pujas has been done. >> The power of that prayer depicts that energy across. So, that conglomeration of people when they come in with an ask or just a plain mind to surrender themselves, that energy transforms them into a honest and a beautiful human being.
(39:01) >> Indeed. So, very true. Yes. >> Lot of these, I mean, many times in your conversation Bhagavad Gita keeps coming time and again. And I'm going to quiz you more on that. And which is one my popular question is many people understand and they quote today it's become cool for CEOs to quote Bhagavad Gita's in boardroom settings, which we are very proud of.
(39:19) Tell me one verse which many people quote but they rarely understand. >> Yeah, I think it's it's the verse which you mentioned earlier. So, well, that's one verse. To be very frank, neither have I understood it because it's a very deep verse. You could explain it in different ways. I often whenever I meet learned people in Vedanta, I ask them this question and many more questions because I'm fascinated by the concept of fate, free will, determinism, absolutism, and so many more things.
(39:53) So, I do ask them such questions. So, I think asking an expert in Vedanta would be far more meritorious. Yeah, but here I think I just say that the verse essentially means that you have only the right to perform action, not that of expecting results. Not You do not You do not have a right to the results themselves. So, you do not have an absolute right to the results themselves.
(40:16) That's the essential meaning of the verse. Now, that doesn't mean that one takes a defeatist perspective to life, of course. Bhagavad Gita does does ascribe action to you. At the same time, it also tells you that, you know, if you consider that you are the one who's acting, you're basically a fool.
(40:33) Only a fool considers that I am acting. It is actually the one divine which is acting in every single sense. A very difficult concept to understand, even for me, but that is the truth. Ishvara sarva bhutanam hridayeshe Arjuna tishtati. Bhramayan sarva bhutani yantrarudhani mayaya. Very high concept of Advaita Vedanta in the in the shastras.
(40:57) It is Bhagavan, the divine, who's making everything and everyone function in maya as if mounted on a machine. Yantrarudhani mayaya. It's one It's It's wonderful concept. In different parts of the Gita, again, he ascribes action to the individual. But, at the same time, he says that everything is done by the divine. So, the way we should look at this is basically, of course, determinism, and that too action being ascribed to the divine is actually true.
(41:24) That is the way it is. At the same time, we must take a more optimistic view of life because we do not know destiny. Which does not mean destiny does not exist. Destiny does exist, at least in my humble opinion, following the shastras. Jyotisha is the pratyaksha pramana of the existence of destiny as such. You do play a role in that destiny, and your role is also part of destiny, essentially.
(41:46) And since you do not know it, it is best to be optimistic towards it. There are two types of people when they hear determinism as a concept. One type of people adopts a defeatist perspective of the world, saying that, "Okay, if everything is basically destined, why must I act? Let me just sit down and be lazy." Again, that is not the best way of going about things.
(42:06) The other way which I espouse to adopt on a regular basis is optimistic determinism. And in that sense, I do not know destiny. So, why not take actions that lead me to the best version of my future? >> Simple because I do not know it. Why not do something because the future is so exciting either way.
(42:25) So, that's how I look at life every day. >> So, nicely said about the Gita as well. And the context in which this was said also is very interesting when Arjuna is preparing for a war. >> True. >> Uh instead of Krishna giving him arms and ammunitions, he gives him a lecture about what how you need to and that is what mankind also needs to learn.
(42:39) We are in a state of war most of the time. Mentally fighting some battles or the other. And every verse has a particular aspect that teaches you. And things, you know, right time to go back to the Gita and try make this a part of your uh everyday I >> Very true. >> which is which is amazing. I'm taking a step forward from the Gita and today's generation, for example, is a fast-forward generation.
(42:57) It's a generation driven by reels. So, I'm going to focus on the Gen Z little quickly. >> Okay. >> But if somebody doesn't have a guru, somebody who doesn't follow traditions or rituals, what could be the first step towards spirituality that somebody takes to go in that direction? >> I think basically uh adopt a regular practice of uh sadhana in your daily life. I am also working on that.
(43:18) >> When you say sadhana, can you uncomplicate that? >> Yes. Sadhana is a spiritual practice that leads you ultimately to the understanding of the divine. You can understand the divine in many ways. You can understand him through Dwaita, through Adwaita, through Vishishtadvaita, even through Jainism, through Buddhism.
(43:34) You can understand him through all of these ways. Uh every single, you know, concept ultimately leads there. So, sadhana is a regular practice that has been mentioned by those who have already seen the divine so that you can also experience that. As Ramakrishna Paramahamsa once gave the analogy of of of of a wise person who basically climbs up a wall, and it's a very tall wall.
(43:59) On the other side of the wall exists a beautiful oasis, a paradise. And he's and he's describing that paradise to you who is on this side of the wall. You are not able to see it, but you simply trust him and climb that wall to experience what he has. Some people look back and tell you what they experienced.
(44:15) Most of them just jump across the wall and experience the divine. So, few of those acharyas have given us certain rules, certain precincts which we must follow in our life. And they have encoded these into the Dharma Shastras. They had no reason to write these for us. They were retired from all forms of life.
(44:30) They had just given up. They'd gone to the forests. They purely gave this to us for the sake of our, uh, you know, our spiritual progress. They had no other intention in mind and I completely trust those divine sages and go with what they say. So, sadhanas are different ways. You have japa, you have mantras which help you focus your mind on something.
(44:52) You can repetitively chant a mantra. If you're following Dwaita, especially, say, many people follow ISKCON. Uh, my spiritual journey also, our family started with ISKCON. And even today we follow it. So, japa, chant Hare Krishna Mahamantra, for example. If you've been initiated into the Gayatri mantra, do your Sandhyavandanam three times every day.
(45:09) For me, personally, that's been absolutely life-changing. Uh, waking up to the sunrise and offering arghyam to the Lord. Again, some might ask, you know, "Why are you offering water to the sun? Why does the sun need your water, right? Why are you doing that?" When and often beautifully quoted analogy here is a little child playing with a few toys, you know, those you have those kitchen set that children give their, you know, basically cooking and then offer, uh, you know, maybe cut pieces of paper as spaghetti to their parents and then say,
(45:39) "Have this," right? So, it's something like that. It's your offering of love and devotion to the divine which is unmistakably humongous, large, great, at the same time enveloping you completely. So, it's your offering of love. And sometimes you might not feel like waking up early and doing it. I too do.
(45:57) I'm very ordinary human being. I do sometimes mess up with my routine. I get up a little late. I'm definitely not lecturing you from the standpoint of being some sort of a realized soul, not at all. In fact, I am working on that every day. I make sure that my devices and say my phone, because I do have one now, and my laptop and everything else gets locked by 10:00 p.m.
(46:19) I can't really access anything. I aspire to make it 8:00 p.m. very soon and then 6:00. So, once you start setting these hard boundaries, you really can start waking up early. You can adopt your sadhana practices on a regular basis. I think perhaps sometime we should make a group of youth and everyone, in fact, to start working on sadhana proactively wherever you are to basically do sadhana together.
(46:43) So, I do my sandhyavandanam three times every day, no matter what, and very soon I think we will probably even take a break and do our madhyannikam as well. And that connects you to the divine. It will be very helpful, and it'll also help you stay away from some of the very distracting things, like for example, Instagram and other aspects which which are affecting all of us youth in many ways.
(47:05) And some of us have really taken steps to change that, and we should. >> Beautiful. We spoke about astrology, we spoke about your perspective, we spoke about Gita, we spoke about Gen Z and making not just Sanatana, but also spirituality a way of life. Now, I'm going to come to the core of our conversation today, which is on two-fold.
(47:23) There's a popular song in which the line goes which says this world has lost its glory. Let's start a brand new story, right? And I'm talking about that one line where every day we wake up to anxiety, more so in the last 6-9 months where there is so much of things happening across the world.
(47:40) And this is your area of interest. As in cricket, they call it power play where the runs go excessively. This is talking about geopolitics and starting with our country. I'd put India first. There's, of course, you know, our growth in the last 5 years has been phenomenal or the 10 years has been phenomenal. We are now a superpower.
(47:59) We are now one of the developed gone are the days where we are saying we are a developing nation, etc. We are ahead in the race when it comes to uh science, technology, sports, culture, all of that and above. And there have been many stalwarts who have been leading the race. But of course, knowing the future and getting prepared for it, there's anxiety in the air.
(48:14) We recently went through a war-like situation uh as well before which the pandemic came in. We fought through all of these odds as a as a country. India 2026, 2027 beyond, how is the shape of India according to you astrologically? >> The country has progressed dramatically um over the last decade or so.
(48:34) However, it's an uphill climb. It's like, you know, climbing from rock bottom. Uh we have been climbing from rock bottom at least since the 19 uh '80s, 1990s. And uh I think we hit rock bottom round about that time frame in my humble opinion. And also a little before that around British time as well. And even before that around the time of the Mughals.
(48:54) But it's been an uphill climb and it's not easy. And we are still at a very nascent stage of development. We've done great progress and we need to do far, far more. The whole nation needs to pull ahead. There's no space for laziness. There's no space for wasting time. And I think my favorite subject is studying how people can be lifted out of poverty and how people can, you know, we speaking about concepts like spirituality.
(49:20) But as Swami Vivekananda said, you can't teach Vedanta to a hungry stomach. And secondly, um nation building has always been a very strong interest for me as it is with many people who are listening today. And I'm sure you also love the whole idea of it. And we need it at this moment. So, in this time of crisis, I think it's also a time for opportunity.
(49:43) And I do see that despite the whole world uh running after AI and a massive, massive uh you know, investment in the field from every single corner of the world has gone into centers of AI uh data centers and everything associated with AI and its contribution to the future. In this time, when everyone is running there, they're forgetting another aspect that's very important to, at least for humans, maybe not for AI, but at least for humans, we do need food.
(50:09) We do need the security and soil security, water security in many ways, and we're forgetting that to a large extent, and that creates a huge space for opportunity. So, our country, having uh I believe the largest amount of arable fertile land in the world, uh we have a massive opportunity here. This can really fuel our growth in the future, at least for humanity.
(50:32) And secondly, we also need to catch up on the AI race, of course. Um of course, it's an uphill climb. It's like tagging another uh ton of weight on your back while climbing uh you know, a vertical uh structure. It's really, really hard, but I'm sure the youth of this country can do it. At this time, we must not get distracted by nonsensical movements that tell us to be lazy.
(50:55) And uh also, we must crush corruption and every form of kleptocracy with an iron fist. And if that is done, we can really bring this country up, and this is a perfect time for it. Because very soon, when the AI hype, of course, the hype cycle, AI will make massive contributions in the future, it is worth uh a large percentage of what uh is being invested into it at the moment, but at the same time, it is a hype cycle.
(51:19) We all know that to a large extent, and it will correct temporarily between 2027 and 2032. And we're going to have this large window of opportunity uh within this time frame to develop the nation in a massive manner. And I'm sure our government is already working on this. We just need to put more pressure on the whole system to make it move, because currently, it's in it is incentivized in the wrong way, and uh we need to create a system wherein the government is incentivized to provide for the people and the people are incentivized to choose the right
(51:52) government. >> Very, very probing question that and there's so much amount of data that you throw along that question and I'm going to maybe shift from that question logically to possibly my most important question for this podcast and this is there in every viewer's mind who's listening in as well. While so much work has been done, I know we need to keep running faster than what we are running to stay where we are.
(52:13) Right? So, the load that we are carrying and together towards the Vikshit Bharat is something very critical. Prime Minister Modi came and made one of the announcements recently that Indians should stop traveling abroad, stop buying gold and use less of oil and use EV kind of thing, etc. Is there a silent alarm for the future or is it something that we need to be cautious about? What does the grid say about our position for the next 12 months? >> Yeah.
(52:42) So, although not an economist, I've been fascinated by it and from an astrological perspective, yes, we are in a fix. Of course, this is not It's not going to be easy for sure. Our country has 1.4 billion stomachs to feed and aspirations to fulfill and dreams even reach There's there's so much that's going on and all of this requires energy and physically we do need fuel.
(53:06) Fossil fuels are the primary energy at this moment and that is being constrained. We do not have access to it. Let's just come to understand this fact that we do not currently have a secure access to energy in a manner that is required to help the people of our country. We do not have it.
(53:26) Let alone aspirations, we do not even have enough for long-term survival and we all know this unless something changes and things will change because again, there's 1.4 billion people pushing ahead and they all want things. They all want to succeed in life. So, the country is going to become more aggressive on this front in order to be able to acquire sources of energy and in order to acquire the technology that's required to power this country.
(53:54) And that will happen in a very aggressive manner in the coming few years. And as a nation, we must support it as long as it is within the bounds of logic and Dharma to a fair extent. We must support aggressive expansion and allow our system to gain those sources. Again, I do see the country gaining a strong political hold over centers of energy around the world.
(54:19) Our country will be able to seems like a far-fetched concept. People often say that Bharata has not been you know, attacking other countries in the past and we never do such things in the future. Of course, we will not do it in an adharmic manner and nor are we trying to cast your venom. We follow that and people generally are averse to you know, immoral conquest.
(54:41) But it has always been a concept in Dharma at the same time to adopt a Faustian spirit, especially for the ruling class. The sections of society that want to progress spiritually are advised not to adopt a Faustian spirit, that of basically just running after the goal. But certain sections of society have been suggested by the sages to adopt a Faustian spirit, to go behind things.
(55:02) And those are the Kshatriyas. Again, not by birth. I do not believe in a birth by birth caste system. But people who have been entrusted with the responsibility of providing for the future of this country must adopt a Faustian spirit, must chase that which is needed to for the nation to progress.
(55:19) And they will very soon. There will be pressure. And especially after 2033 when I expect the petrodollar system that is that is currently running the world to kind of move behind. We'd see newer systems coming up. That will be the opportunity. And then I do see India's involvement in the Middle East. Bharata will be involved in a manner that's conducive to those countries and the people there to a fair extent.
(55:43) Of course, they will not have many options at the time to deal with, so I think we will play a major role. Seems far-fetched for now, but let's see and let's see what time has in store for us. I think the Red Sea particularly is a good hint to begin with. Just look at the Red Sea routes there straight from the Levant onto you know, the the coast of Ethiopia and Eritrea for the time being.
(56:07) I also do see something interesting between Ethiopia and Eritrea. We'll come to that as well, but India's is going to find a stronghold in that in that region and I'm all for it. I I hope we are able to do something for our people in a manner that's conducive to the rest of the world. >> Very very beautiful analogy.
(56:23) The Strait of Hormuz has taught us a lot of alternative options, routes, etc. and to invest for the future. And you know, considering we'll come to the Ethiopia topic as well, which I had something in mind to ask you. But this immediate slow mechanism of being cautious, right? Is predicting a wild storm. You be calm during the storm.
(56:41) I'm talking 12-18 months for us to be cautious. Isn't the calm before the storm so that we can progress well ahead? Because I know you had told before that 2029 onwards we'll enter into a much more progressive landscape. So these 3 years, what could be the tide be? >> Yes, I think this year is going to be difficult, but I don't think it is going to be that threatening absolutely.
(57:02) I don't think it's going to be that threatening because there is going to be a time frame wherein temporarily some of these supply chain networks for energy are going to stabilize. That is just towards the end of this year starting of next year before another conflict erupts next year.
(57:17) So basically, there is going to be that calm before the storm and our country will have sufficient time to prepare for it. They're already preparing for it. So Maniya Pradhan Mantri Narendra Modi Ji's words were basically to help us prepare for it and to and to basically temper some expectations for this year and I and I believe it's it's it's all in good spirit and I think we should follow that as well as much as possible cut down on the use of of of some of these very extractive things and I do believe that we will find a way out for our large population.
(57:49) We will and there are we must entrust this responsibility to able people and start adopting a meritocratic society. If we continue to try and build a socialist welfare system that's purely welfare and not meritocratic in nature. You do need a welfare state from time to time but then if we continue the way it is then we're not going to be able to let the country expand.
(58:13) So for the next 12 12 or 18 months I think the youth of this country will come to terms with will ask the government to to impose a meritocratic system or to allow it to happen. And I think by 2028-29 that will be the major ask of the people. The people are tired of kleptocratic welfare states throughout the country. Every single state is basically a welfare state right now except for a few exceptions and a few policies here and there.
(58:40) I think the youth will ask for this and that will lead the country in the right direction. In the next 12 to 18 months I don't think people need to fear a lot. Things are going to be going on very well. The fear is a good opportunity to to buy into the country. >> Not to fear more. It's preparing ourselves to try and handle the future better.
(58:59) No panic to be certain and in your talk incidentally two minutes back you mentioned calm before the storm before we hit another turbulence in 2027. >> Correct. Not our country this time because we'll be well prepared by then. We have 18-19 months for that. But somewhere in 2027 I will mention the time frame as well.
(59:22) I'm still working on the exact time frames right now. Another frontier may open more towards the Far East now. So the conflict is basically moving east. For example, I draw parallels to 1967. Let's just take our viewers straight to 67 when there was a 60 war in the Middle East and the petrol dollar system was just beginning to form.
(59:45) 1973, the petrol dollar system was properly instituted. Before that, between 67 and 73, there were a series of wars that took place in order to make it happen. Yom Kippur finally in 73. The 60 war was followed by a Vietnam conflict in the Far East which was absolutely destructive. But this time it's not going to be destructive.
(1:00:04) Essentially, there's going to be a situation in the Far East basically the Near East to us which is going to change geopolitics significantly and I'm looking I'm seeing that happening in 2027 or early 2028. Somewhere around this and I'll get to the exact time frames in my humble opinion as well very soon.
(1:00:24) Very interesting Near East to us. >> Makes me guess where and how this could be but I don't know. >> Around well, Southeast Asia let's say Eastern Asia just south of the Korean Peninsula is one hotspot obviously. Just the Philippines too because there are some parallels you could draw to the Battle of Hue in Vietnam.
(1:00:44) And pardon my Vietnamese pronunciation it's just just that region when massive issues there. So similar combination is coming up very soon in fact very soon before 2027 April itself. So nothing to Vietnam but somewhere in the region. I'm trying to zero in on that. Yeah. >> So and our dependency I'm again coming to Bharat Desha that our dependency on anything to do with either Far East Middle East Middle East to a great extent is there but we are safe in terms of but Far East our dependency is also not that high. It's lesser so the
(1:01:17) conflict may have lesser effect on us as Bharat Desha show begin with. >> Yes, progressively lesser as we adopt friendly aggressive expansionism. We need to adopt that at this stage. Expansionism sounds like a very terrible word. I am not speaking about the concept of Akhand Bharat. Of course, we'll come to that later.
(1:01:37) But expansionism in the standpoint from the standpoint of energy security is absolutely necessary in many ways. It is a controversial concept, but every country does engage in it. China has engaged in it. And the population of China has not opposed their country while engaging in it. The USA has always engaged in it in a very dangerous sense, in fact, in a very adharmic ways.
(1:01:58) Europe is also engaged in it. If we do not, we are going to cause tremendous harm to our people, and that's adharmic. So, we must engage in some form. >> We have a clear clarity about the 12-18 months and then the 2029 perspective that you spoke about, etc., which is engaging and appreciative that, okay, we Indians can be prepared for the future.
(1:02:14) >> Yes. >> Viksit Bharat 2047, 100 years of this great country. >> Yes. >> And of course, with development plans and vagaries of monsoons that could come by, how are we all well set towards that? How does the chart read towards the next, say, 20 years from now? >> Exactly. I think it's very optimistic. I'm in it for it because you might have heard of this beautiful concept, skin in the game, by the great economist Taleb, G. And it's it's a very interesting.
(1:02:43) And I instead of just giving advice and telling that the country is going to progress, I personally do not I'm 100% not interested in any part of the world except for Bharat at this point of time. And I'm sure many people listening to me today are also the leaders of this country are also actively engaging in it.
(1:03:03) So, we must all have skin in the game. I'm sure we're going to see a brighter future because if the Bharata is not just a dream, it's something that is going to fire as a reality with our efforts, and we can do it. And nation-building is our goal. Again, it is absolutely our goal. Some people might think you're you're talking about spiritual things, you're talking about global peace, you're also talking about uh certain, you know, things about nation development and stuff like that.
(1:03:26) They they they think it is it is opposite sides of the spectrum. Actually, it's the same thing. We owe a debt to our society. We have a rina, a debt, and we must pay that. And how do we pay it? By uplifting the people to whom we owe our present situation. So, we must and those and and the people of the country must also uh understand uh and they must build something of this sort. So, we are ready.
(1:03:50) >> We are we are in the right progression. 20 years from now, we will be. You also mentioned repeatedly that India will be a top global superpower by 2050 to 2060. Right? What should we start doing now to try and aspire to be there? We, of course, as I mentioned, should adopt a meritocratic system.
(1:04:08) It's it's it's I think enough of a very uh silly kleptocratic welfare system. Uh the reason why I'm using the same word over and over again is because I'm personally frustrated with it as well. >> [laughter] >> And at the same time, making sure the poor rise should be the top priority. Uplifting them out of poverty by by by inculcating industries very important.
(1:04:30) I'm seeing many spiritual centers also working on this, uh many government institutions also working on this to tune the public to to uh to help them understand how to engage in the modern economy. That's number one, uh building a meritocracy. And number two is allowing of course, as a result of meritocracy, allowing those who are capable of doing things truly hold the steering wheel.
(1:04:53) And expecting them to give results and incentivizing them for the results in a clean manner. Currently, people are being incentivized for results in a very unclean and dirty manner. Uh that needs to change. And I think we do need an iron fist. No large country so far, commanding such a large economy, you know, governing so many millions of people, 1.
(1:05:17) 4 billion people, has adopted a soft aspect towards governance. No country has done this. Every single country in their period of rise has used hard and fast systems with transparency. For example, even during uh you know, we often say, "Well, the West has democracy and uh see how they are. They're doing very well.
(1:05:38) " But well, we we don't think how they reached to the level that they adopted democracy. We we know the Maslow's hierarchy of needs. You adopt such uh social principles only when you reach a higher level on the hierarchy of needs. When you when you're when you're basically self-actualizing, you're like, "Okay, now I have every basic necessity.
(1:05:57) I have food, my children are going to a good school, I don't need to worry about the future, I can enjoy music, literature, and other things. So, now let me think of concepts like democracy, uh pure democracy. Let me think of social justice, and so many other things. Let me think of bringing in uh immigrants, and so on.
(1:06:14) " They're they're able to do that because they reached that level of development. And uh of course, the repercussions of that are a different issue. They've reached that. We haven't reached that. When they were reaching that, they engaged in expansionism. They engaged in uh you know, giving the steering wheel to the right kinds of people instead of trying to choose people based on birth, which is very silly, basically.
(1:06:37) They engaged in ensuring that the country's needs come first, and then everything else. China has also done this repeatedly uh in not just the communist China, even before that. Uh the empires of China The empires of India also did engage in similar things. Protect the vulnerable, at the same time hand the steering wheels to a responsible uh and able population. That's very important.
(1:07:01) >> Very very interesting and and and thank you for highlighting the fact about how we can be prepared from now to 2050. And of course, 2047 is a landmark here, and we said we are all set for that. That's wonderful signs hearing it from the horse's mouth. I'm going to take you a little more micro into the macro aspect.
(1:07:17) We spoke about Bharat and the larger perspective. We're sitting in Hosur in Tamil Nadu where there is a storm that's literally swept the state. Mr. Joseph Vijay has been sworn in as a chief minister in a very unprecedented manner. Nobody predicted it, but by merit the people have sworn in large large number of votes to swing swing him in.
(1:07:35) What does his chart say? And do you think it's a genuine shift for the state at large? >> I do not have any details at the moment that I can use for him in particular, but I'd say Tamil Nadu is the engine for Bharat's progress. Of course, there are other states as well who are who are contributing significantly, but this is one of the major centers.
(1:07:55) Not only of spirituality, but also that of economic power and prowess. There's also a lot of talent here, and I think it's nice to see change in the state. Although, of course, we need to see how things go about. I am excited for the future of this state, and I absolutely suggest anyone to invest in Tamil Nadu for the coming many years.
(1:08:20) Not just because of the current administration that just took power, but also because of the overall outlook of Bharat. Because if Bharat is going to progress, and I'm very sure about that, Tamil Nadu as an engine of Bharat also will progress. >> Any particular reason why you call it an engine of progress which is leading from the front? >> Because this is the place where we've had some of the greatest kings ever who who took the right decisions at the right time.
(1:08:40) The ability to take decisions at the right time is something that's special about this place. Rajaraja Chola, for example, the Chola empire that expanded so wonderfully aggressively in such a manner that was very dharmic also. They basically they had political enemies abroad in in different, you know, archipelagos, different islands across Southeast Asia, but they spread their beautiful culture wherever they go.
(1:09:04) Even today there are Tamilians in these places and they are respected. The Tamil culture is beautifully integrated into those local cultures and it has contributed to them. It's not like how we basically revile the British presence in our country. Of course I'm speaking their language unfortunately, but we generally do revile their colonialism.
(1:09:23) We revile the Mughal you know, stuff. Although of course we have you know, introduced certain aspects of their art, culture and language which we find nice here and there, but we revile their presence. But the Southeast Asian countries where the Tamil kingdoms were able to enter into where Tamil Nadu made significant inroads into, they do not revile the Tamil presence.
(1:09:44) That's a beautiful thing. They celebrated you have temples dedicated to Tamil culture, deities and Sanatana Dharma. In fact the Cholas they took Sanatana Dharma to these places in a very beautiful >> Cambodia for example. >> Yeah, Cambodia for example and even Burma and I think when Burma is back to peace I think they will they will definitely be more Indo-centric.
(1:10:08) So even though the Chola empire had its differences with the northern states and also put them in place in different you know, situations, they never let go of Dharma. They always kept that as the cornerstone and I think I hope we do that again and yeah, it's going to play a major role. >> Very very awe-inspiring to hear that Tamil Nadu will be the engine of growth along with many others as well, but considering the momentum in the state, considering the history of the state and considering a new change in perspective,
(1:10:37) governance and people's mindset who are nobody predicted that people are going to vote in such large numbers, the youngsters, Gen Z, etc. It's actually a welcome sign for the future. So Tamil Nadu is going to be on an upswing and it's good for all of us put together. Fantastic. So spoke about Bharata, we spoke about Tamil Nadu.
(1:10:56) Now I'm going to go to the topic of conversation that is in everybody's mind for many months now. We're talking about US and Iran. Straight off the moment, we're talking about oil, we're talking about Ukraine getting involved, Lebanon getting affected, we're talking about US presidency, and everything and anything that's going around.
(1:11:12) A very unpredictable nature of geopolitics is arriving where we do not know tomorrow morning where the rockets are going to come. Suddenly, we're seeing Russia visiting China, suddenly we're seeing cross talks going on at multiple places. How is the geopolitical situation aligned? Let's talk specifically on US and Iran.
(1:11:30) How long does this progress? What do you think would be a logical conclusion? >> I'll answer this question after say 5 minutes. >> Sure, you can. Sure, you can. So, I'm I'm going to take a step back from the geopolitical situation and go back to Gen Z. Maybe. You know, today's generation is very outward-thinking, out-looking, etc. They are an Instagram-viable generation.
(1:11:49) But, astrology, when they say, "Okay, I'm not you I'm not I'm not okay with old sciences. I'm not okay with old talks, etc." What's in it for the new? >> Yeah, I mean, Gen Z is a massive population segment in the country. We have one of the largest percentages of young people in the world. And that's percentage.
(1:12:06) In terms of absolute numbers, it's probably the highest. It's a very wide group. It's very difficult to categorize them into particular sections. There is an overwhelming majority of Gen Z who are also very culturally connected, and I'm very happy to see that. We often cast our generation as being a rebels of the previous generation.
(1:12:26) Obviously, that's that's the case with every generation. You want to be You want to be different from the previous generation in some manner. The previous generation of the country, in fact, was more secular and more very disconnected from our culture than this generation, I feel personally. But, at the same time, this generation demands a rise in scientific temper.
(1:12:49) And scientific temper is perfectly compatible with Sanatana Dharma. Sanatana Dharma has been the source of inspiration for scientific advancements in the past as well. And Jyotisha is not the antithesis of science. Anyone who studies the subject can can really understand that fact. Jyotishis crave to, you know, work in a scientific manner.
(1:13:10) It's just that it's so beyond our understanding that's very difficult for us to put it in a scientific framework. We want it to be in a scientific framework. It'll probably take another few centuries for that to happen. At the same time, it is not the antithesis of science. I do not call it a science. I do not because science in the modern sense has a very different definition. It is a Vijnana.
(1:13:26) Yes, it is Vishesha Jnana. It is a very special form of knowledge that is beyond our bounds. Let me give an example. Humanity collectively did not have precise knowledge of the gravitational forces, nor did we know how thermodynamics work, nor did we know how nuclear fission, fusion, etc. works. But, it was going on in the sun for billions of years.
(1:13:46) We owe our lives to all of these different processes. Gravitational forces have been acting on the earth and other planets for eons together before we categorized them, understood them, studied them. Similarly, there might be some other forces which are currently acting on us which we are not yet aware of. So, let's just be open to it.
(1:14:02) And in the meantime, I thought, you know, I'm not going to be forcing others to accept that astrology is a science or to respect astrology. You know, you can have your own opinions about it. That's completely fine. That's the spirit of Bharata. You can even say tomorrow God does not exist and I'm going to be perfectly fine with it, my friend.
(1:14:20) God doesn't exist to you? Okay, that's that's fine. That's the Vedic tradition. You have Charvakas who used to go around saying that, you know, you just have one life. Rinam kritva ghritam pibet. That was that was the Charvakas' saying, you know, take a loan and have ghee. Basically, enjoy life and don't care about anything.
(1:14:39) And we still we still tolerated them. They were going around everywhere. Even today, we have the same Charvaka mindset in parts of the country. I just invite my generation to explore the past and the wisdom of the past and to integrate it in the right manner as we see fit as the sages have advised in our modern economy and society and we can very well do this.
(1:14:58) It's very compatible. It is not an Abrahamic cult. It is a beautiful syncretic system. We absorb everything here. >> That's a very very nice point of view for a for a youngster and a Gen Z to try and look at and I want to add to your point saying temple crowds are increasing. Yeah. People going behind culture like yoga and retreats and all this stuff are growing crazily.
(1:15:16) Spiritual tech apps, oh my god, was created for that purpose only. There are it's it's upbringing as well. People are binging and consuming more on spirituality these days. >> Yes. >> Do you think it's all by choice or what does the chart say? >> I think starting 2020 we're entering a completely new era. So when I made the prediction about COVID, of course there was a negative side, but when Guru and Shani come together with so many grahas, it's not always just negative.
(1:15:39) There is a negative side, but the positive side is what you're seeing today. Massive cultural rejuvenation. I'd say 2020 is that rebirth. You'd see, you know, the Gen Z of our country becoming overwhelmingly supportive of national rejuvenation. Of course, party doesn't matter here. The goal is national rejuvenation. >> Is it a spiritual Is it a spiritual awakening time? >> It is a spiritual awakening, absolutely.
(1:16:04) So national rejuvenation and spiritual awakening are going hand in hand and we see that the Ram Mandir उद्घाटन took place after that. We see more youngsters invested in their spiritual culture. We see them, you know, you know, physically also you know, basically espousing those symbols of spirituality.
(1:16:27) You know, wearing tilakam and wearing a kada or maybe a, you know, say >> Rudraksha. >> Anything. Rudrakshas and chanting mantras and following systems. There are bad actors, of course. It's a nation of too many people. We have bad actors. We need to root them out, of course. Public will do it eventually, but there's so much good.
(1:16:47) Let's see the good, and it's happening, and I'm very happy about it. >> Lovely, and it's it's a great context setting for the youngsters as well to look forward to and being consuming. Amongst all of this is what do you think about this whole terminology of manifestation? People manifest about something. Is it Is it real, or is it just a trend and it'll fade and it'll pay off? >> I think manifestation is actually a concept that is supported by the Shastras.
(1:17:10) You know, the Vedas make a prayer. Prayer is basically manifestation in many ways. You're praying to a higher power. Instead of just, you know, manifesting dryly, you're praying to a higher power, and you the Vedic Suktas are very manifesting. They don't just say, you know, give me something positive. They go into specifics.
(1:17:30) They say, you know, give me great health. Give me, you know, great life. Give me success in every venture. Give me a great family. So, they go into very specifics, and there's whole Suktas about it. So, our culture has been that of manifestation, but towards a greater power, not just dryly, because when you do it dryly, it's it's it's very different.
(1:17:53) But, yeah, each to their own, and I think manifestation is very helpful. Ultimately, it is all part of destiny. But, it is it is helpful. Beautiful. The very fact that you will manifest or the very fact that you will pray for that to happen is also part of your destiny. >> Beautiful. Manifestation, temples, energy behind the temples, and I'm going to come to our energy which is very close to your heart, which is where you belong from, Tiruvannamalai.
(1:18:17) Rapid fire question to you. How many times have you done the Girivalam? >> I've done it probably around 20 times. >> And you belong there. Your parents are still there, and I know, and which is amazing. Tell me something in it for the people who are listening in on the Girivalam and the purpose behind the Girivalam, and what is that energy that they can derive out of >> I think the Girivalam is is one of the most transformational experiences.
(1:18:37) Let me just share a short story. My mother also has shared it on my channel. She experienced several accidents in her lifetime, several unfortunate reasons, and karma, I think, is is a biggest factor. But, that led her onto the spiritual path, and the first thing when she experienced one of the most gruesome accidents was she wanted to walk around the hill.
(1:18:57) No one, you know, in the right mind would just say, you know, after you know, a life-changing accident, I want to walk 14 km. Very few people have that kind of mental strength, and she's one of them. She decided to walk atop the Arunachala Hill, go climb up to the Skandashram every day after that accident. There were like 22 stitches that she had to undergo on her face as well. And before that, another big one.
(1:19:18) So, miraculously, even we were telling her, "Do not do all of this, you know, it's just it's just harmful." And I'm not a doctor, I don't suggest that you do this after an accident. In her case, it transformed her. Her pain was gone. After the Girivalam, her pain was gone. Today, she complains of no pain.
(1:19:32) Of course, some other health problems will persist. Your karma you have to experience. But, sometimes Bhagwan really wants to get rid of some problems in your life for a good reason, and he will do that through this through these methods. So, do the Girivalam. Of course, at the moment, you might feel it's too much of a sensory load, noises, sound, people, dirt, filth.
(1:19:53) Alongside, you have beautiful architecture, nice people, friendly people, even clean places in pockets. So, it's a mix of everything, and I think it's also a representative of the world around you. It's a mix of everything. So, amidst that chaos, you must focus on the hill come. Just focus on the hill and walk around that, and that's just amazing in silence.
(1:20:16) And maybe by listening to mantras, and initially when I started doing Girivalam, of course, it was a little little difficult, 14 km, and that too sometimes while fasting, right? You do 14 km. It feels a little too much, but then gradually, your tolerance increases, you're able to do more, it becomes amazing. I definitely recommend doing Girivalam.
(1:20:35) And if anyone from the administration in Tiruvannamalai is listening, I think it would be awesome if we could do something to improve the experience for the people in Girivalam wise, the aesthetic wise, and also everything end to end. >> We So, putting very very beautifully said. Tiruvannamalai is one of my go-to places as well.
(1:20:52) I have a heartfelt connect there, and there is a vibe that I I just want more people to talk about it. And you're doing that at Oh My God as well. You have an extensive Tiruvannamalai guide that you can find inside Oh My God on what to do, how to do, etc. And we will be talking to the authorities in Tiruvannamalai about that thing, about devotee experience.
(1:21:07) Now, coming to devotee experience, and you know, we are a tech platform. So, how do you think we can better devotee experience using technology from your perspective? What are the elements that we can play around to give them a enhanced superior experience? >> Yeah, I think focusing on crowd management is probably the best thing.
(1:21:23) I love to go in the regular queues, uh not in special queues whenever I visit temples. Very rarely do I do that. The regular queues is where, you know, the bhakti is, people around you are. But unfortunately, that's also where all the problematic things occur, the misbehavior, the uh the stampedes, and everything.
(1:21:43) So, we definitely need better uh avenues for that, and crowd management is the best thing. Second thing is, I think people, especially the youth, they're searching for places that are aesthetically pleasing as well. The mind ultimately is uh our way of perceiving the world is very ocular. We cannot So, that's why, you know, in the Bhagavatam also it is said, "These eyes are meant to see the opulence of the Lord, uh to see nature.
(1:22:07) " So, that's why people, uh you know, even the Gen Z are going to different uh spiritual institutions where aesthetics are emphasized. And the main temples, the ancient glorious temples, aesthetics are taken backseat. You know, suddenly out of no where you have these iron railings, ugly iron railings that are put in from nowhere, you know, very strange color combinations that are put in changing the temple.
(1:22:32) I'm all for lot lots of colors. That's how Vastu Shastra is subject that I studied, uh you know, suggest different colors in different places, but not in such a very uh jarring manner. Uh so, I think uh aesthetics is very important. Uh temples must create spaces where we can meditate, we can experience the place instead of just going in a queue, going quickly, seeing the Lord, and coming out.
(1:22:54) We should also be able to Those halls that were built by the uh by the medieval and ancient kings were not just meant for nothing. They were meant for these spiritual functions, homas, yagyas, meditation, dhyana, and japa. So, the population should be allowed to experience those places while maintain the sanctity of the temple.
(1:23:11) So, I think that's very important. >> Lovely indeed on devotee experience and what we need to focus on. I'm going to get to a specific question. You've witnessed what we at Oh My God are trying to bring to the table, transform devotee experience, enable temples with uh IT technology. So, do you think we are in the right direction? What role technology is playing today, etc.
(1:23:30) What would be your two piece of advices for us? >> I think this is definitely in the right direction, and I was very happy to see all the work that's being done in the background. And uh yeah, as soon as this is out there in the temples, I would also love to you know, experience that. And uh this is a step in the right direction for sure.
(1:23:48) >> So, we spoke about uh you know, India's situation. We spoke about Sanatana Dharma. We spoke about uh practices. We spoke about Tamil Nadu as well, but let's get into the macro situation. Abhigya ji, this has been brewing in the bits, possibly one of the most top-rated questions that everybody has in mind when it comes to predictions on the world economy.
(1:24:06) I'm talking about the global crisis that is happening. Uh it could be the Russia-Ukraine, it could be Iran and US. Let's take Iran and US specifically. State of affairs is still a topic of conversations, and people are going back and forth. Uh you don't know whether you're going to wake up to a war, or you're going to Until the last second, we were not aware a few weeks back as well.
(1:24:24) Now, what is the situation brewing into between US and Iran? >> Yes, it all goes back to 2023 October 7th, basically, when specific combination basically triggered the whole Middle East to turn into an entire fireball what it is at the moment. That combination was foreseen again using Jotisha because the combinations were very similar to 9/11, which also had a similar outcome.
(1:24:46) Just after 9/11, the whole Middle Eastern region went into becoming a total fireball and there was devastation everywhere. Lots of innocent lives also were lost. Similar things just happened after 2023 October, similar situation. After that, another combination also showed that Iran would be affected in early 2026, just after November 2025.
(1:25:08) And it has gone on a rampage there. Autocratic and dangerous leadership has gone on a rampage of killing many innocent Iranians as well as launching attacks on nearby nations and in return, of course, the 11 and superpowers, which is Israel and the United States, both have also engaged in absolute violence in the region.
(1:25:27) So, it's aligning with the astrological cycle, something like this was just simply supposed to happen in many ways. But in my recent mention in my recent prediction of what would happen there, I had mentioned that starting the 11th of April, a temporary period of peace can be seen in the Middle East. Now, the ceasefire was I I made this prediction around the 22nd of March.
(1:25:48) The ceasefire took place on the 9th of April very shaky manner and it is holding on till now to a large extent, except for a few violations here and there. I expect, unfortunately, that this is going to end around September. Small few significant violations in June, but it is this this period of relative peace would end around September.
(1:26:08) September to say December 15th is a very volatile time frame. I expect it to be troublesome around this period. Again, dangerous for Iran and also for the nearby countries. Israel is going through a relatively good time until June 2027 at least, after which again it's going to go through a slight pause, some issues, and then again it's going to be achieving its obstacles, of course, at great human cost to its own citizens as well as the surrounding nations.
(1:26:35) Um it's it's still a good time until June 2027. And at the end of the day, for these countries, objectives are objectives. And I expect after this 8th of September for this to escalate further. Again, not to an extent that it turns into a massive World War of any sort. It's going to be quick, fast, measured. Consequences of this conflict turning into a wider situation, which we can call World War III, which will not be like World War II, very different from it, very fragmented, will take place after 2029.
(1:27:06) The interesting thing that is happening here is that commonly when there is conflict between human beings, I'm just taking a reductionist view here. In most wars, you basically try to eliminate the threat by destroying it, and by also imposing a human cost there. Since there is a human cost, countries have to calculate that and take decisions accordingly.
(1:27:27) But very soon, since the battlefield is changing using artificial intelligence, and if artificial intelligence from one side is fighting with the artificial intelligence based systems from the other side, and resources are what they're fighting for, um the human cost is out of the equation. So this is going to definitely change the way war is seen.
(1:27:48) So that's why I don't see it as being similar to World War II. So in World War II, since human cost was such a big factor, countries were looking to impose as much of a human cost as possible, make sure the other side capitulates. This is going to be very different. I'm still studying how this could go about. I'm studying game theory as well to an extent to see how it works along with Jyotisha.
(1:28:07) But based on whatever I can see so far, it's going to be a different war, and I don't see equanimous damage throughout the world Uh as we saw in World War II absolutely devastating. And again, I don't expect the time frame before 2033 to be as devastating as 1940 to 45 were. The reason is again that between I've often quoted this just think of all the things that happened between 1914 and 1974.
(1:28:34) So just look at the whole world from a 60-year cycle lens which is the Vedic system the Samvat system. So we divide history into 60-year cycles. Each 60-year cycle is made up of 20 sub periods and each 20 sub period has a characteristic of its own. Now in these 60-year periods 1914 was the start of one of them which ended 1974.
(1:28:57) We are in the second time frame starting 1974 up to about 2033. Now 1914 to 1974 saw the worst war such humanity has ever seen all wrapped in one and after 1974 there's been a very weird sense of calm except for a few conflicts here and there which have imposed relatively less human cost and you know which is which have been way less destructive.
(1:29:21) Just think of it 1914 World War begins and ends about 1917-18. 1917 the Spanish flu absolutely devastating but keeping that aside 19 29 to 1939 the Great Depression and 1939 that completely explodes into World War II and that and that continues until 1945 culminating in the bombing of Hiroshima Nagasaki the first and last two date use of a nuclear weapon against a major human city filled with many innocent people.
(1:29:51) 1950 the Korean War begins. 19 you know of course the 1970s are riddled with conflicts as well. 19 1967 we had the peak of the Vietnam War in the US absolutely devastating. The the Six-Day War takes place in 67 and 68 peak of Vietnam War again. 71 Indo-Pakistani War again big scale. 73 Yom Kippur War starting 74 and the year is calm.
(1:30:20) The 80s nothing much other than progress technological progress. >> From 90s we see some development goes into the 2000s and extends as well and now we are seeing some shakiness as well towards the end of the >> Exactly. So now this phase continues until 2033. I would personally be very very surprised if there is a massive conflict to the scale of anything what we saw between 14 and 74.
(1:30:40) After 33 when this protective period again I don't have my my assumption here is is is baseless to a large extent. It just has this one anecdotal thing. Other than that there's not much that's protecting us. I assume and I really hope that we don't see anything before 2033. >> Cool. So 29 something brews 33 that karmic period ends.
(1:31:04) So post 33 there is nothing major that you're seeing as an outflow at this point in time basis data that is available. >> Post 33 there is an absolute risk. >> Okay. >> Post 33 before that it's it's more fragmented and big things will happen of course but more significant. Post 33 definitely. >> Across the world.
(1:31:21) So that then brings me to another topic of conversation the role of America in all of these wanting to try and become the big daddy or the superpower for a very very long time. They lost that status post the 80s 90s etc. with technology and advancements of other countries coming up spring China on one side India on one side. Now they're trying to play that big hand to try and stay calamities as a reason to try and take an upper hand.
(1:31:41) What will be the scope of America in the next 5-10 years Trump administration post Trump administration? >> May I just say the lamp is burning bright now and we often know that lamp burns bright when it's about to So that is something we're seeing at the moment and it is definitely burning bright. We can't negate that fact of course.
(1:32:01) The market capitalization of US companies is absolutely ballooned into something that, you know, is is just just difficult to comprehend. You see Nvidia with a 5.2 to 5.7 trillion market cap, which is larger than most countries, larger than our entire country's economy put together, just that one company.
(1:32:21) So, it's burning really bright at this point of time. I wouldn't say it's going to dramatically collapse anytime very soon, but after 2033, as US dominance reduces geopolitically, because the world economy is still very much tied to locations, to land resources. It's not completely digital. The entire digital infrastructure, as you very well know, is completely dependent on these resources, on land, on geopolitical situations.
(1:32:47) So, I expect this to change, for sure. And during these few years, it's going to exercise an absolute power play, and it's good not to be sort of delusion that we are capable of defying the US at this point of time. It would be a very silly decision to make. So, I think the government is actively making sure that they're playing both sides very well.
(1:33:07) >> Safe. Yeah, correct. >> Yeah, that's very important, because when it's burning bright, you just can't fly into it like a moth. >> Correct. I I do believe very very diplomatically handled situation from India. In fact, the almost state of war situation as well has been very diplomatically handled, which is noteworthy.
(1:33:20) >> Very China? >> It's growing in nature, stature, wants to take control, but never been >> So, China has also had these very strange cycles. I'm not definitely the first one to speak of it. The Chinese themselves have chronicled the association of Guru Shani cycles with their prosperity and progress since the last 3,000 years they've maintained a record of that.
(1:33:42) And they have these cycles in their system. So, based off of that, 2030 seems to be a difficult year, but but China is going through a phase of prosperity. Its phase of decline started earlier than ours. So, it ought to experience a phase of prosperity earlier than us. So, there's there's there's That's the reason why they've actually raced ahead of us.
(1:34:05) We'll be catching up soon. That's because when we were relatively doing well, China was totally struggling. Uh let's say the So, so they were they were called the sick man of Asia. Uh and uh not just that, the '60s were absolutely devastating. Upwards of 10 million people died. Here we were relatively better, recovering from famines, very conservative policies, uh socialist welfare society, but not ravaging communist uh you know, methodologies.
(1:34:32) Regrettable, but still we were doing better than China. Uh the Yellow River, uh you know, the flood was devastating. The famines, the great famine. If you read of that, it's absolutely crazy. Whenever there is social instability in China, upwards of 5-6 million people die. It's a it's a it's a common thing. It's common parlance because uh something something about the society is is so unifying that whenever there is distress, it absolutely shatters into pieces.
(1:35:00) In our country, we have dissent here and there, north, south, east, west, uh different cultures, societies, and everything. So, we don't basically run into a forest fire as they do. So, yes, China definitely needs to be careful, the whole Sinosphere around 2030. But, I don't expect them to decline dramatically for us to rise, nothing of There have been periods of time in history when in India and China were both doing well relatively, let us say representing 30 and 20% of the global economy.
(1:35:25) >> But, we can rise on our own and we may not rise because they are falling, but we can rise on our own. That's a good better way of looking at it. True. Very interesting. Might be a tricky question. Which world leader today possesses a very dangerous chart and which one holds the maximum promise? >> So, Trump's chart actually jump scared me the first time I was looking at it.
(1:35:42) It was absolutely uh crazy. The person probably clinically insane in many ways. Unfortunately. And because, you know, I thought I am having some sort of a bias, but then I gave this chart to uh some of my friends and students who at the time unaware of his chart that it says his and asked them to look into it and they said, "Does this person have a bipolar disorder or something?" Definitely it is scary and at the same time also kind of hilarious to see his his moves every day.
(1:36:11) And I expect this only to increase. It so at the moment people with with the kind of disorder he has, I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist to understand what it is, but they do feel that at the top of their game, top of the world, and that feeling allows them to basically play the game really well. And being able to play the game really well with total confidence and absolutely zero fear of negative consequences, if played well and if luck is on your side, results in reaching the top position of anything or the bottom
(1:36:39) position of anything depending on your luck. He's been on the right side of luck. So with his so far, of course. So with his with his kind of mindset, of course, he's reached a very powerful position. And the problem is this this will run out eventually making very large, you know, bets. Basically every single decision he's making is like a gambling bet.
(1:37:02) And they've been paying off well so far, but uh very soon 2027-28 is not really good for the US social situation. And when the US basically eventually gets fed up with him, they will bank left. And if they bank left or if they bank too hard right on the political spectrum, uh that that means yeah, the time has come for them to decline.
(1:37:29) But again, I don't want to take a very uh absolutist approach here with US declining and stuff like that, which I which I hear very very uh regularly, that this rhetoric of the US getting destroyed and things like that. Nothing of that sort. Uh it has accumulated civilizational strength. There is a massive advantage that its population has has has been able to acquire over the last many centuries and there is also people do do not talk of this often but there's a population genetic advantage as well which they have accumulated. We are basically far
(1:38:04) lagging behind so we definitely I do not expect an outlandish situation. They'll do well for the next 200 years easily. >> Cool, that's on the dangerous side on the chart. Who holds the maximum promise? Which world leader holds the maximum >> maximum promise [laughter] well I'm clearly biased here.
(1:38:19) I haven't seen many charts of that sort but I just say I just say our prime minister holds a lot of you know positive because his decision-making and his horoscope and everything do align really well. I'm yet to see a few other leaders. Of course China's leader has relatively good chart as well. I'm yet to see any other leaders chart specifically in this regard.
(1:38:38) I'll >> But it's good news for a lot of us that >> Yeah. >> the chart of our leader prime minister is just fantastic. >> Yes, it is. >> We wish him we wish him >> And again with his chart as well I don't have a clear idea of it at the moment but when I do I will let you know. >> Interesting. Thank you for the double-edged sword question [laughter] but I'm going to let you relax a little bit now and ask you some really Gen Z kind of fast-paced rapid-fire questions.
(1:39:03) >> So relax rapid-fire question means I get an answer faster than I throw the question at you. >> Okay, sure. >> Before which I want to spend 2 minutes with you. I know the world is raging about a prospective Guru Peyarchi that is what is your 2-minute prediction on that on who which particular planet can watch out for good signs? >> Okay, so very quickly Guru is basically moving really fast through the zodiac at the moment from our perspective.
(1:39:26) Natural speed is the same relative to the sun to a large extent but from our perspective it is moving a little faster through the backdrop which is the zodiac. So this is called the Atichari movement and when it happens it's not really good for the world because the whole logic behind Guru being fast being negative is basically that Guru is considered a positive force.
(1:39:49) Say a very good person is sadhu is visiting your house and he basically walks across your house very quickly walks past your house. It's not really great. We would like the sadhu to move through it slowly. Similarly when Guru is moving through the zodiac you would prefer Guru moving slowly and then basically retrograding going ahead and that is far more beneficial.
(1:40:07) The world is more sane when that's happening. Now it's accelerated so the world progressively gets insane. This started in 2025 this this rapid movement. So until about 2033 this is going on so you'll see everything becoming more and more insane. Insane will become the new normal. Pace will be very fast. We are still you know coming to terms with the pace of things. So that's it.
(1:40:29) And getting into Kataka Rashi it's going to be of course a little temporarily more benevolent but unfortunately it's moving fast towards the edge of Kataka that is by early 2027 late 2026 starting November. Again that coincides with the same time frame there's going to be another upheaval. So that one month is again not going to be good.
(1:40:49) After that again it's going to be good. So it's basically very alternating very alternating. I will get deeper into this once I have more data because I'm trying to find parallels. >> Interesting. Now let me get into rapid fire. Okay chill relax and give me fast paced answers. One one planet you would want ruling the world right now.
(1:41:05) >> Uh Guru. >> Guru Guru because it's Guru Purnima time. >> Of course yeah. >> One temple every Indian must visit in their lifetime. >> Somnath and I myself haven't visited it yet. I hope to. >> What a brilliant piece destroyed 17 times but springs up an 18th time to stand tall one of the Jyotirlingas mind blowing.
(1:41:23) One Vedic text every young Indian must read and understand. >> Bhagavad Gita and secondly I consider to be Vedic and Sanatani that is Thirukkural. >> Beautiful lovely answer. What a beautiful answer. Tricky question. Gold right now buy hold or sell. >> Um I think just hold Uh hold for now and good for the future. >> Yes.
(1:41:43) >> One word for India in 2027. >> 2027 technological transformation education system changes rapidly. >> One word for India in 2047. >> 2047 leader in food security millions of people being able to afford discretionary things. >> Make sure that the reality. >> Yes. >> Wonderful. The most important thing that you do every morning.
(1:42:07) >> Sandhyavandanam. >> The three things that you're passionate about outside of astrology. >> Automobiles, history and travel on my bike. Yes. >> Lovely. How do you actually switch off? >> I listen to music. And especially Hans Zimmer and Ricky Ram Sharma. >> Beautiful to would I complete diverse perspectives etc.
(1:42:31) but very interesting way to switch off which is music. Have you watched any series full fledged before any favorites >> The Lord of the Rings. Not exactly a series but there's three movies trilogy I keep watching regularly. So yes. >> Okay. Cross languages movie picks top three movies. >> Nice. I'd definitely say The Lord of the Rings.
(1:42:49) It was introduced to me by a good friend of mine and I think I I underestimated it but it's an absolute masterpiece every time you can derive a new meaning out of it. And then I would perhaps say I recently watched The Summit of the Gods. Very good. It's French but yeah. It's really good and then yep I think these two movies An Indian movie I'm yet to watch some something of that sort which I can really recommend at the moment but I'm hoping to watch Devi.
(1:43:20) >> Have you watched it? >> No I've not. I've heard so much about it. >> I think I should we should >> We should I think so. I'm a huge movie buff but I will we'll we'll get our hands on that. What is astrology in one sentence for someone who's never heard the word Jyotisha. >> Mhm. Jyotisha is understanding of celestial light and its relation to action on earth or any other body.
(1:43:42) >> Very deep. Um, who inspires you as a person across any fields? >> Arjuna. Arjuna inspires me a lot in many ways. Pursuit of excellence, but when time comes uh, he's ready to learn things. Pursuit of excellence, absolutely. Confidence, you should always have confidence. You should know that you're capable of great things and pursue that.
(1:44:01) But at the same time, when the time comes and you're befuddled by situations around you, you should be humble enough to seek guidance. So, that's the my inspiration. Yeah. >> Very unique, very beautiful picture. Mhm. Are we entering an era of spiritual awakening? >> Yes. Of course. A lot of spiritual progress, yes.
(1:44:17) But the human mind is human mind at the end end of the day, there's going to be a lot of material progress as well. >> Is manifestation real or just another trend? >> Uh, it is real, uh, in my humble opinion, with a prayer, it's much better. The prayer with a lot of love. >> Yeah. >> And uh, you know, delusional manifestation, well, it's it's okay, but uh, yeah, there there should be something to check that as well.
(1:44:36) Otherwise, it can lead to disappointments of a total of a scale. >> Last, but fun one. One food if you have to have for the rest of your life, what would that be? >> Okay. [laughter] That's I think a millet upma, perhaps. Yeah. A pilaf from millet. >> Millet upma it is. >> Yeah. And what's what's the millet? Foxtail. That's really nice.
(1:44:55) >> Yeah. Yeah. >> [laughter] >> Okay. >> But very interesting perspective. One we have been ending with upma. We never had an astrological conversation ending with upma [laughter] before. But this is something crazy. >> Wonderful, yeah. Nice nice questions, uh. >> Abhigyan, so what started out of as a very very serious, intriguing conversation, yeah, you made it flow like a beautiful river.
(1:45:18) You made it flow like uh, so much amount of depth for any aam aadmi to listen to it. Of course, we asked you a lot of in-depth questions about the war and the global situations, but we spoke about a lot more things for today's generation. It could be karma, it could be Sanatana Dharma explanation still is top of notch for me. It's just mind-blowing.
(1:45:35) Also, the temple rituals, also the devotee experience, also following Bhagavad Gita and so on and so forth. Knowing you as a person amidst all of these things has been really fascinating. Not just trying to predict things out of you. So, thank you for allowing us to get into the space to ask you anything to try and probe that.
(1:45:51) >> Thank you so much. Wonderful questions again and I'd say if you ask some of these philosophical questions to an expert in Vedanta, I think you should definitely do that next. You'd be mind-blown because I look up to them with awe because if if you find the right person who's really gone through Vedanta really well and also practices some aspects of it, that's the best.
(1:46:11) My my answer is a very surface level and something just from my personal experience and from the shastras. Similarly, I'm also very much an aam aadmi that way because if someone if two people here in front of me were speaking about advanced safe physics, I'd just look in awe half the thing going above my head.
(1:46:29) So, yeah, I think we should bring in more experts who are experts in Sanatana Dharma and in Vedanta and physics and and and probably other subjects. I'd love to hear those conversations. >> That would be a nice interconnected one, but it's just your humility that talks talks about you being in awe about something. >> [laughter] >> We are we are regular human beings.
(1:46:48) I can't even predict what my wife is going to make for lunch tomorrow. You're predicting how the world is going to change tomorrow. There's a world of difference how we see you and what you are to us. So, thank you for >> To be very fair, even I I don't know what I'm going to have for lunch or dinner any given day or whether even I'll have lunch or dinner.
(1:47:02) >> But at least it's in your hands. [laughter] You can predict that much better. Mine is in somebody else's hands. But I I should only thank you for this very in-depth conversation. It's been fabulous. Astrology is a thing that we can't cannot resist. It's not a thing that we cannot ignore.
(1:47:17) It's and Sanatana Dharma is not something that is out of religion. It's actually a set of duties that we need to follow. All of this and much more in this beautiful first of its kind Oh my God talk series with the incredible Laviananda. We had great pride and pleasure from the team at Oh My God presenting you this one. I hope you have a good time listening in.
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