Krishna, Vedanta & Bhagavad Gita | Solution for All World Problems ft. Swami Sukhabodhananda
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(00:00) Lord Shiva and the Shiva Sutra saysam your knowledge has become a bondage. A Christian will look at life from a Christian perspective. A Muslim will see from a Muslim perspective. A Hindu will see Hindu perspective. So we get confined to what we know. Socrates said tell me your friends and I'll tell you who you are.
(00:22) Karna got caught in a single story. Parents left him. Arjuna insulted him and now Krishna says you have been a better warrior than Arjuna. Why are you trapped in the Veda? We say aam brahas means I am God. Brahma or how can we be God? God means infinite. I am infinite possibility. His wife can't sit with her children because she is a vegetarian and son and daughter-in-law non-vegetarian.
(00:50) Hitler was a vegetarian. The most violent man. So that doesn't make you anything. Give freedom to people because freedom is more important than love. >> How do we bring clarity to our lives [music] about what's possible? >> What's the psychology of shakad? >> It's about connection. It's about energy >> transmission.
(01:20) >> The kind of history of a shakan. The history of a namaste. >> Yeah. >> The psychology of a namaste >> is you and I in the space of love are one. >> Beautiful. >> You come from Portuguese. I come from here. But in the space you and I are one. >> Hand is different from the eyes. Eyes are different from the legs.
(01:41) But they are all one. >> So we say namaste. You and I are one. shake hand when two warriors met and they say because basically we've been warriors warriors met I'm not going to fight I'm going to extend friendship that's why the anthropology of a shake hand >> nice >> so therefore beautiful >> I see >> when when you look at the way people are living their lives today what breaks your heart the most >> uh I can answer in multiple ways and that's why with humility I'm saying not like a show off I have authored nearly 119 books in different languages I'm a
(02:24) prolific writer prolific speaker right I'm a scholar in Vantan Gita but I have a range of things so with this back of you can say many things >> one of the biggest errors people are making is I'll say the essence of Gita in three words paris monosti atasti I'll translate that paristi means situation lot of people people think situation is unpleasant I'll be unhappy if situation is pleasant I'm happy please don't pull it to the extent of war I'm saying ordinary situation is pleasant I'm happy situation is unpleasant I'm unhappy it
(03:10) is called paristiti lord krishna the gita A says it is never the situation it is monosti your state of mind is a state of mind which is important paristi let us say you're fired from the job and then say swami g I have to be unhappy I'm fired from the job but if your mind is parostiti your mind is proactive it'll say one door closes another door can open I know my student new Jersey he he was working in Lucen technologist and he was layoff took place he used to organize my programs in New Jersey when the layoff
(03:52) took place he started a matoleim it's called bat matolim.com it is very successful so it became an opportunity so it is never the situation it is your your monostiti more than monostiti that is state of mind lord Krishna says it is atmai Your state of being. >> Oh, >> your state of being should be open. >> Then mind should be proactive.
(04:23) Then you will face the situations of life. Walt Disney was an unsuccessful cartoonist. In the church of a garage, he saw a rat going up and down. His being was open. His mind was positive. Then what happened? He made the rat Mickey Mouse. rest is history. Thomas Alva Edison nine odd times he failed in creating a bulb >> but every time he was open and he said failure was a fertilizer for his success.
(04:59) So I'll say the biggest thing which kind of pains he says people are not saying keep your mind proactive and keep your being open infinity sky is the limit for that but always we allow situations to define our life then what happens see we get confined to the situations so I feel keep Gita gives us beautiful or non-religiously also So whatever be the situation keep your mind proactive and keep your being atmmaiti open infinity is the possibility.
(05:38) >> Therefore in the veda we say aam brahasmi means I am god brahma or how can we be god means god means infinite. I am god means I am infinite. So I am infinite possibility. I see. So you say that when there's a situation that happens, we become that situation. That's where there's the problem. >> No, I don't think we become the situation, right? Oh, you mean to say we become the situation.
(06:10) We become a victim to the situation. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We >> I prefer we become we become victim to the situation. Why should it be a victim? >> See, I have one of my students. She went through a divorce. She seated here is sir. She went through a divorce and she says the best thing which happened to me. Right. She was in New Jersey.
(06:27) Diverse took place with kids three years and five years old kids in New Jersey there. Her her right. She has not worked in America. Right. If only engineer and she says the best thing which happened diverse with 3 years and 5 years you will get she has listened to a lot of my discourses.
(06:44) She left New Jersey went to San California which is very difficult you know very expensive. She got a job and now she's my CEO of our organization. So she was not a victim. Not that she did not go through difficulty. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But she was not a victim. >> Why should we become a situation? >> But why do why do you think people uh um I mean do >> lack of clarity.
(07:08) >> Oh, >> they are a victim. >> I'll tell you they are a victim to their knowledge and they are not open for clarity. >> We get trapped by what we know. >> Yeah. If you see, I'm sorry I'm not making a religious statement. A Christian will see look at life from a Christian perspective. A Muslim will see from a Muslim perspective.
(07:31) A Shia will see from a Shia perspective. A Hindu will see Hindu perspective. So we get confined to what we know. And Lord Shiva and the Shiva Sutra saysam your knowledge has become a bondage. Can knowledge become knowing which is continuous present continuous? So we become victim to what we know. >> Okay.
(07:57) And what you say we need to keep evolving so that the knowledge >> we should learn unlearn. >> Exactly. Yeah. That's >> we should be open. >> I see. >> So people get hooked on you know you have a perception. You have a map of your husband, map of your wife. Your map of your husband is more important than the husband. [laughter] >> What do you mean? >> See, I have a map.
(08:25) For example, let us say you have a map how a Swami G should be. >> Yeah. >> And I'm wearing shoes and coming here. Yeah. >> Canvas. Oh, but Swami G should not wear a monk should not wear shoes. >> Oh, I see. I see. >> So, we create a map and you want the territory to fit into the map. Oh yeah. Yeah. >> Right.
(08:44) Should they kind of map fit the territory? Territory fit the map. So we have a map of the husband, map of a wife, >> map of our boss, map of a religious person and we want people to fit into that map. No, you don't have to fit in. I always in my book, you know, my bestseller book, oh mind relax please, I've written a you a scholar, he wanted to navigate from Rishies to Baya Bengal.
(09:10) Yeah. >> So he sits in the boat there. Before that he does a lot of research all the saints and scriptures. He he refers how Ganga is going to flow from Rishiesh and he creates a map from the enlightened masters how river has been flowing from Ganga. Then he sits the map sits on the board navigates.
(09:32) According to the map the river should take a left turn but the river is taking a right turn. He gets angry with the river [laughter] because the river is not fitting the map >> and he says the map is created by scholars by saints. >> Yeah. >> This is the paradox. >> Yeah. >> Which happens. You create a map and you want people to fit to the map.
(09:52) I've seen a lot of people say Swami G you are a guru, you're a Swami G. Do you give vibis? Do you give ashes? Do you read my mind? I said why should I read my mind? Handling my mind is is a big [laughter] job. So people have a map of a guru then the guru gets betrayed >> then they say oh guru did not do give a map so that's a problem we are trapped by what we know >> what we know should be only a door >> it should not it is a starting point it should never be an end point >> you know what I'm I'm I'm thinking that I have a friend that or I know someone
(10:31) that uh um she She had a lot of problems in her life, you know, and I see that she thrives in that problems and she she she stays in the problem, you know, and even when she doesn't have problems in her life, it looks like she's waiting for the problems. It looks like the the the problem became part of her identity.
(10:51) So meaning her map is the the the problem, you know. So it looks like I'm not sure I wanted to ask you if it's like it looks like for this person and like many people they they they have problems and those problems they become that identity and that's very difficult even when they want to go and let's say reach their potential or or go out they still stay because it's what is familiar to them.
(11:21) Is this correct to you? >> I think you're right but I'll add one more. >> Yeah. Right. Now, two things I want to add. Have you seen people having mouth ulcers? >> Yeah. >> Right. When mouth ulcers, what do they do? They touch that mouth also. It pains. >> Yeah. >> Again, they touch hardly 10 seconds. They'll touch. [laughter] They touch.
(11:39) >> They have a sadistic pleasure of pain. >> Oh yeah. >> So when you have a mouth also, why you go on every five seconds touching the mouth also? >> Yeah. >> All right. Psychologically, some people are there. Keep that apart. You have very nicely and nicely said that sorrow has become their identity. >> Yeah. >> Now little more if you dig in my online workshops in my books also I've said observing life people there each one gets caught in a single story.
(12:13) Each one gets caught in a single story. >> Yeah. >> I know if you know Mahabharata. >> Yes. You know Mahabharata. >> Karna got caught in a single story. His mother parents left him. Arjuna insulted him. >> Mhm. >> All right. He's caught in that story. Arjuna insulted him. Arjuna insulted him. His parents betrayed him.
(12:38) And now Krishna says you have been a better warrior than Arjuna. Why are you trapped by the error? Let us say error. Arjuna is insulted him because he is caught in a single story. S Mahabara if you see Shakuni is caught in the single story. >> Yeah. >> What single story? Her sister beautiful sister Gandhari is married to a blind person.
(13:04) >> Yeah. >> So we get caught in a single story. All right. You're talking of that person who's in sorrow. >> Yeah. >> You're caught in a single story. But life we have many stories. If a person has gone through a diverse that is one story. >> Yeah. All right. You have a beautiful job. You're an engineer.
(13:25) You're staying in California. You have this one or thing. Why? So somewhere the we our perception is being fooled by getting caught as though our life is only a single story. Say let's say marriage has not worked. That's not your whole life. >> Yeah. >> Marriage is not your whole life. You're a social being. You're a spiritual being.
(13:50) You have a role of a CEO. You have multiple roles. Somewhere you get trapped in a single story. So keep life multi-dimensionally. When you keep life multi-dimensional, one door closes, another door open. And secondly, why is he caught in that same sorrow, sorrow become empty? Because he has not discovered other sources of joy. >> Oh, >> you have to discover other sources of joy.
(14:19) We call this in Sanskrit as anandheri. So you're fired for the job. Okay. You have no job for that time being there is sorrow. But you are educated person. >> Say wow. I'll say you have eyes say wow. You have ears say wow. You have a kidney say wow. You have a liver say wow. Many things are working.
(14:44) Only job is not working. So if you can celebrate what you have, you will minimize sorrow and maximize joy. This is why in my workshops I tell I won't load people too much with Sanskrit. All right? Even though I talk on Gita etc. That's what Lord Krishna tells us. All right? Maximize joys. You will have certain problems. Minimize your sorrow.
(15:10) Don't get caught in a single story. That's very interesting because B what you're saying is that we have that problem and let's say that problem is like 5% of our life right there's 95% the rest and what people do they they feel like this is 95% and they put everything around there and they keep in that story and they don't see >> the rest what you're saying the rest that's what you're saying >> bullseye and also I'm saying I want you to see how your brain fools us >> in my workshop shops online. I tell them
(15:43) I tell them to keep a you can you keep a nail. >> Yeah. >> Can you do that? Keep a nail. >> It's a thin nail you have. >> Yeah. >> You have a hammer. >> Yeah. >> You have to hit the nail on the wall. >> This thin L, right? >> You know what people do? >> Yeah. >> This much is not required. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. >> Just 1% effort from your wrist is enough.
(16:07) >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Even your worry have one person, two person, no problem. >> Yeah. >> Don't worry like this. When I say swam, I went through I'm fired from the job. I'm miserable. One person you worry. >> Yeah. >> You're eating a nail, one person with the wrist. You don't have to eat the nail like this.
(16:29) So we unnecessarily use an acumen. We don't have the sagacity to do what is needed. I understood. So what you say is that people Yeah. they get caught up in that story and they don't see the others but like what is the the the the Gita or telling us about like why do we why does that happen? Is there anything in our mind that makes us >> because consciousness has not expanded.
(16:54) >> Oh okay. Yeah. >> See now for example my consciousness can go only to my body. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Only I am a Hindu. I am on this only to there. But if you see if this body has to be alive >> it is because of the trees oxygen come from the trees in Sanskrit it is because of akasha wu agni apop pritivi five elements so the macro is blessing the micro >> how do I why should I limit myself to the micro that expansive your consciousness has not expanded all right and therefore We get lost into our single story. That's why Lord
(17:37) Krishna the Gita says if you're cooking food >> only for yourself, you are eating sin. You are cooking food only for yourself. You're eating sin. He says so expand your consciousness. You and I are alive because of the sun. Yeah. >> Because of the air, because of the trees, because of so many things. So the when the macro has blessed the micro, the micro should also connect to the macro.
(18:15) >> Yeah. >> Therefore in the mutually you should nourish each other. >> Yeah. I love I love that. It's about expanding our consciousness. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Yeah. Maybe people who are at home and maybe they go through some tough moments you know and then they there's a story that they is happening with them and they're going through pain you know what is the first thing that someone what needs to be done first you see say is the situation giving pain or your narrative >> interpreting it as pain >> exactly yeah
(18:56) >> I'll give my own experience >> please >> right when I was about uh 27 28 my first trip was to Australia. >> I went to Australia in Blue Mountains. I was taking a workshop. All right. It was my first trip abroad. There were no Indians. Is all local Australians. >> What is the workshop? The end of the workshop.
(19:17) It used to be a 4 hours 4 days workshop. end of it. My hostess felt so happy because my hostess right was very hurt because her daughter ran away with mother's husband means daughter ran away with her stepfather. She was very hurt. She did my workshop. At the workshop helped her so much. At the end of the workshop, she hugged me and kissed me on my cheeks.
(19:42) I felt very uncomfortable. I was only 26, 27. Nobody kisses me. Right. People touch my feet. Maybe he decide why go low, let us go high. [laughter] The wrestlers go high. All right. They clean up pastors to touch them. >> Yeah. >> And I was little disturbed. My first trip kissed me on the cheeks. >> I'm used to people touching my feet.
(20:04) Then from Blue Mountains, I went to Sydney. >> I was staying in a German couple's house and I shared this. He said, "Swami G, why should it be uncomfortable? She's so good-looking." I got another thing, right? And then I realized the kiss did not hurt me. It is my interpretation and my conditioning of a Hindu monk which has criticism which has hurt me.
(20:29) It is my conditioning which has hurt me. That's why it's always you should travel. When you travel you meet different cultures you they become a mirror to your own conditioning. So what I'm same thing once I was playing basketball I was a captain of my basketball team when I was in school I was playing basketball or one of my students in Gita in Bangalore itself he was watching me playing basketball afterwards he wished to me out of the thing he touched my feet I'm very disturbed Swami G said I said why because you are playing
(20:59) basketball I said what's wrong it is not your ball it is my body he said no Swami Swami G's don't play basketball [laughter] I Yeah. >> Or you see he's disturbed because he's playing a basketball. It is his interpretation. >> Exactly. >> So you have to so problem with this we have to look into our narrative. >> Yeah.
(21:21) >> Therefore Veda says mind means your self-t talk is the cause for bondage. Mind is the cause for freedom. Mind means selft talk. >> Yeah. >> How is your selft talk happening? So they have to observe the selft talk. >> That is the that's the that's the first thing right. >> First thing >> that yeah >> in the [clears throat] Lord Krishna says lift yourself by yourself.
(21:55) Mind is your friend. Mind is your enemy. Who means friend your mind is your enemy. If you are reactive your mind is an enemy. If it is proactive your mind is your friend. So lift yourself by yourself. So in all my workshop talks I tell they say whatever be the situation sir. Yes situations can give you little challenges.
(22:26) My throat is little bad some challenge I'll still go go on. I'll enjoy what I'm doing. So that's where you have to set our mind free >> and it's also about what you said it's about having clarity right so you ask yourself okay this is the situation how am I what is the meaning that I'm giving in this situation and the beauty is that we can give as many meanings as we want right like for example the the lady that kiss kissed you could say oh how could she have done that another meaning is like she cared about me yeah and I you
(23:02) know so it's all about the meaning right >> what meaning you give >> but now the question is sometimes you have no control of what meaning you are giving >> oh okay let's go deeper no let's go let's go deeper yeah let's go deeper give me an example >> I'll give you example you know all my counseling sessions I take what is called CXO sessions for CEOs CFOs to I take a kind of onetoone mentoring session so I tell them so you start looking at life through three Then let us say there's a three ways of looking at life. Three lenses.
(23:38) >> You through the lens of pain you look at your life. When you look at lens of pain right you see pain pain. If I look at lens of pain I have only one asham again. I have one in America one here. Some of the some other guru has 100 ashams. Right? A lot of people look from the lens of pain. When you look from the lens of pain, you all seeing so many pain.
(24:09) I help them. You wear another lens. See, your pain has a pattern >> as a >> pattern. >> A pattern. Okay. >> Pain also has a pattern. >> Oh, okay. >> It's called we call this as samscaras. Your pain has a pattern. >> Your sorrow can also have a pattern. always complaining, always complaining, always looking to what is missing, missing, missing.
(24:36) >> So I make my students realize other lens is your pain, your unhappiness has a pattern. And then I'll go in my book there's a cat pattern, dog pattern, fox pattern, snake pattern and I say ultimately you have to bring Hamsa pattern. Anyway, we will not go into that. It's a pattern. So see a patterns.
(24:59) People don't see all right they they only see pain I went through a divorce but there is a pattern and the pattern will attract the negative patterns >> oh >> then the law of attraction comes okay what as a guru I tell them third lens what is the third lens see the lens of potential >> what is a sambhavana what is the potential you have in my workshops I write tell them in Thailand if I'm not mistake taken there is elephant p painting competition now elephants are trained to paint and myself I have seen in Los Angeles I think there was sea lions all right
(25:42) doing dancing >> all right how much they have trained that's the potential you and I have a potential but we are potential is not tapped as a mentor as a guru I said don't limit yourself from your pain pattern. Go deeper. There is a pattern of pain. See that aha pattern is controlling me. Then I'll give you another lens.
(26:10) You see the potential. This should be the growth cycle. Or else you get wired by your own pain. You get wired by your own pattern and there's no freedom. Now this needs some work. This need a spiritual discipline and that's why we have to help each other in doing that. >> Oh, I I I I quite like it where we are in the in the the pain.
(26:40) There's that one lens, you know, and it's about putting the lens of understanding the patterns. Yeah. >> Behind that lens when we go beyond the patterns, we understand the patterns. That's when we reach the potential. >> Yeah. I really like. So let's let's take an example and I see there's a lot of people like going through through the same and you can see these three steps.
(27:02) How how can someone do that? For example, someone that has a um a a relationship problem for example with the mother, >> you know, so like saying, "Oh, but she she makes my my life miserable. She's always criticizing me." You know, like for someone in this situation, tell us what's the process. I'll give you from a potential angle as clarity.
(27:26) >> Perfect. >> Say let us say leave the mother. See some some >> bring the father. >> Bring [laughter] the father. The best is to bring your spouse. >> Okay. >> Right. Let us say the spouse says you idiot to you. >> Yeah. Or the spouse. The Yeah. >> Right. Yeah. Or the mothers. Let's take your example. The mother says idiot.
(27:47) >> You monkey. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Why should it hurt you? >> If somebody your mother calls you a monkey, >> yeah, >> in India we say monkey a lot. So I'm saying somebody calls a monkey. What is a wise way to do? Look back. Look here. Make sure there no monkeys. Double check yourself because sometime genetical changes can happen [laughter] dri opthalmologist and get your eyes checked up.
(28:16) Why should you be upset if somebody has called somebody calls me an idiot? Why should I get upset? I know I've authored so many books. I know I've been a prolific speaker. It is his perception problem. >> See what happens. Somebody calls you an idiot. >> That word falls into a stupid interpretation >> that is hurting you.
(28:39) >> I give you an example. >> Yeah. 75% of snake bites are non-poisonous. But when a non-poisonous snake bites you, 75% people faint and some even die. >> Oh, I see. >> Now tell me logically a nonpoisonous snake how can it kill you? Actually logically snake should die. >> Okay. >> Because we alcohol and all stupid things we are eating. Yeah.
(29:10) >> Right. [laughter] But a nonpoisonous snake bites. This one high f it is not the snake bite. It is his >> interpretation. >> Okay. Yeah. >> So I tell people someday your mother speaks to you. >> All right. Now it is there. It is not her word which has hurt you. It is your interpretation. Control the interpretation >> because why give the remote control to your wife or to your boss or to your neighbor? If they have a remote control, you will be like a football kicked by what they say.
(29:46) So once that mastery happens, the potential opens up. The potential opens up. Don't give power to somebody else. Right? Just see about that. Then compassionately talk to your mother. Okay? What's that hurt? Then you will realize she has a map how a son should be. Oh yeah. >> And she's struggling [clears throat] to fit me.
(30:13) I just just yesterday I was doing onetoone mentoring with somebody. He says Swami of our family in Noida. He says I am staying in one room. My wife is staying in one room. My son and daughter-in-law is staying one room and my grandchildren said our house are becoming like an island. Why isn't my wife? What is the problem? because his m his wife can't sit with her children because she is a vegetarian and son and daughter-in-law are non-vegetarian now she has a map I tell I told him tell s vegetarian is a beautiful thing there's no doubt but if she's a
(30:53) non-vegetarian doesn't mean that she she's she's miserable I said vegetarian Hitler was a vegetarian Hitler was a vegetarian the most violent man So that doesn't make you anything. So you have to educate. You have to educate. Treat it like an education. Your mother is speaking roughly. Educate. >> Give freedom to people because freedom is more important than love.
(31:22) >> What do you mean? Give freedom to people. >> Give freedom to have their opinion. >> Oh yeah. In that sense. Yeah. >> Yeah. Give freedom and give freedom to yourself. It's your opinion. >> Yeah. >> All right. So therefore once you give freedom right life becomes beautiful >> that's why our organization name is prasana trust I say the our moto is roots of responsibility and wings of freedom you be responsible at the same time give freedom and to integrate freedom and responsibility requires a lot of accumment >> do you think it's like the the the that
(32:02) freedom is what is in between the pain and the potential like when we we have that pain we are in struggling and we are able to let go of that pain for example in that case I love your example which is you don't allow others to create impact on you meaning like if something is impacting you it means it's something is triggering you you are as you said you're giving the the the the power to other other person and you what you say is that the moment we let go of that so we are not allowing so we we become free that's when we are ready to
(32:41) achieve our potential that's what that's what they say >> yeah because I'm not I'm not kicked by others opinion >> I give freedom >> no that is to bring peace your potential has many vi possibilities >> see in potential I I don't think we should club this to that with reference to peace I say I give you freedom to have own opinion I have a freedom to accept your opinion or reject opinion that is one dimension >> whereas potential tapping there's another dimension see what is the I was talking to see I am I'm a black belt in
(33:20) martial art even though I look thin right I'm a black belt I'm a fifth dam even now I practice martial art I was asking my mentor who's a ninth dan in martial art the akisu What is the kind of core of martial art? I said he said to conquer fear, not to defeat somebody. That's why it's called self-defense.
(33:41) It is not an attack, right? It is to conquer fear. >> No, I added to conquer fear. What is important? Every day I have to increase my challenge. >> If I increase my challenge, I can conquer fear. Now to increase a challenge, I have to increase my confidence. So if so every day today what is the challenge I have got now the challenge is podcast with you >> I don't know what you're going to ask I don't know how how much you have read about me all right so nothing like that it's a challenge I treat like a challenge is fun
(34:16) and I have confidence to deal with the challenge when I have right when you do when you have treat life as a challenge increase your confidence only then you can conquer fear every pain is giving you an indication of invitation to something else. >> Yes. And I want I want to go there. >> Yeah. Please. >> So tell me what is what what is the meaning of pain then? >> Uh there can be many layers of pain.
(34:48) >> See there is physical pain is one. >> Psychological pain is another. >> Yeah. >> Right. I am not negating pain. I'm not saying that pain should not be get limited to that pain. If somebody pinches me, there is pain. You're going to say there's no pain. >> But I go on worrying about pain. There is pain or pain that you stop.
(35:12) >> I'll give you an example, better example. >> Lord Buddha gives a beautiful example. >> He calls it the second stop the second arrow. He says he says somebody shot you. >> Mhm. an arrow shot. Are you going to ask who shot? Did he have his breakfast? Why was he angry with me? Is he married? The man who was shot.
(35:35) You're not going to ask all the stupid questions. You first try to remove the arrow. An arrow has been shot, right? You're not going to ask why is he shot? Why has he done? Blah blah blah. You're not going to do that, right? You remove the arrow. What happens is the arrow is shot. It is your karma. You have been shot. Take action.
(35:58) Don't shoot the second arrow. He says on that. What is the second arrow? Why did you do that? I have done such a I have left such a clean life. I this is not fair. God is not fair. This is blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. That second arrow stop it is then you are more efficient to deal with the first arrow.
(36:19) So first arrow pain you have to go through. You go through a divorce you there's some pain of divorce because children are there pain of divorce. Oh my life is gone. I've been cheated. I've been betrayed. Tup t this goes on. >> That's the second pain that you're saying. >> That second arrow. >> Yeah. The second arrow. Yeah. Yeah.
(36:40) >> First arrow is according to your karma. >> Gracefully accept it. Then you will have creativity in hand it. >> That's why the great saint Kabir you know you have heard of Kabir. Yeah. >> He says when I look at people's mind I feel like crying. He says he said when look at people mind people mind is like a grinding machine.
(37:04) You know the old ancient India grinding machine on two stones. Anything put in the stones our mind is like a grinding machine. Anything put gets crushed. So keep your mind calm. Stop the second arrow. Don't be against pain. Pain is teaching you something. Therefore, Lord Krishna beautifully in the Gita says right with seeing, hearing, smelling, touching. Don't put your eye into it.
(37:49) Just experience the experience. Your eye is the autobiography. Your history. [clears throat] We don't experience an experience. The experiencer pollutes the experience and you experience the experience according to the experiencer. And that's what Buddha's famous name is called tadagat means where he said just experience it Krishna says pashian splission experience it is hot summer experience it oh why it is that all of that then you're putting your autobiography into it a different type of alacrity opens up if
(38:35) you live that life >> oh I love it Uh-huh. [clears throat] >> To go from pain to potential to when in order or or let's let's let's say um not to go from the the the the first you have the first arrow, you have the first pain and then not to go for the second one. >> Yeah. >> There's a moment like there's a moment there like that like like >> do you have any example from someone that came to you that you helped like going from >> pain M >> to potential like >> a lot of examples.
(39:11) >> Yeah. Give me an example. One that still today gives you goosebumps that when you think about that that that story >> it gives me goosebumps now. Whether is giving me goosebumps or not I've heard it so many times. I'll give two examples. >> Right. One example is of one person seated here only. >> Right. Our CEO seated here.
(39:33) >> All right. She comes from uh remote from India, gets married and stays in New Jersey with an engineering degree, three years and six years old kids. Something doesn't go well with her husband, >> right? Diverse. She with three years and six years old kid in California. She comes not working in America. >> All right. She comes there.
(39:58) She comes with these two kids. All right. Gets her job. brings up the two kids within one year because within one year she calls me to America and organizes my talks and this I don't think for that I myself can do that all right do that and then she did and now she's our CEO now how with 3 years and six years in California not working in America just because you have a degree from India and doing that and she says all is because Swami G of your teachings.
(40:34) I said one door closes another door opens. Freedom is more important than love. He says no. When I don't get love from my husband, why should I be? I don't want a bad children, bad role model to my children. And now both the children in California have a house and with Tesla cars. Now tell me it's very inspiring for me.
(40:58) Says you're teaching two things. He says all right is one door closes other door opens and he said freedom is more important than love another students in London all right and she I used to stay in their house she's a psychologist right she got kind of dash dash dash I I don't know I should not go too much into detail right [clears throat] whatever it is her relationship is bad she got married some they fooled her and got married to a person who's physically challenged etc got married then young age she has got cancer fourth stage cancer
(41:32) and when she went through one or two chemotherapy then she says no I look at alternatives I look at alternatives with all your teaching swami I looked at alternatives she has put her effort and now I think 12 years now she's staying there she has now right with her remission of cancer cancer has happened I gave her a call for a long time tell read one book called radical remission all right by Turner Kelly Turner who has done a PhD and 100 odd cancer patient four stage who have come out of cancer see what is their lifestyle I put and
(42:11) she says she has come out of cancer >> I'm not saying for everybody it'll happen >> yeah yeah yeah >> that's a positive attitude getting cancer fourth stage husband is not a right person son is there staying in England in London >> all Right? Being an Indian not very highly qualified a computer etc. She stud hard and she became a psychologist organized by talks.
(42:41) Sir the power of commitment is magical. The power of complaint puts you in drain. >> Goes into drain. >> So all of that is a mindset which you have to bring in. Wow. >> How do you feel? Awesome. >> There's no exaggeration. You can see I've given all this like there's many examples I've given. >> How do you feel? [laughter] >> And you how do you feel? So maybe you can maybe you can maybe break down a little bit about what did you do with with her that's like what was the journey you explain it it's very
(43:26) inspiring like >> it'll take a long time to explain a journey or maybe like okay I'll give you an acron >> I'll give an acum always in my >> different than answer then different than answer >> it's a different answer [laughter] no acum for me is an incantation Acronym [clears throat] for me is in all my talks and online workshops which I take I give always acronym it's easy to understand for example brave acronym I >> Mhm. Brave.
(43:53) Everybody knows the meaning of brave. It's not a hard word to remember. Break down the brave. >> Okay, let's go. >> All right. B stands for belief. If you have a negative belief, oh, my husband betrayed me or my life is gone. Oh, I got cancer. My London student, my life is gone. No, they had a positive belief.
(44:16) With God's blessings, impossible can happen. When Gita sloka, it is there. A lame can walk, a deaf can hear, all right, a blind can see. >> There you have that belief. >> Yeah. >> So therefore B stands have believe the best will happen to you. >> So B >> R. Can you guess what can be the R? >> I don't >> romance with the possibility. >> Oh, >> romance with the possibility.
(44:49) Not that oh it'll happen but I do not know and if people romance with sorrow >> romance with the possibility that this miracle will happen. So B is belief R is romance. No A you have to fill out the blanks. You have such exper experience of meeting people. >> B I would say the uh awareness. No >> action. >> Action. All right.
(45:20) United Army said, "If you want to be a colonel, walk like a colonel." >> If you want to be a colonel, walk like a colonel. >> Let your action talk that impossible is possible. >> You're you're talking, you're walking should have that power. B R A V. Yes. >> I mean on the spot. [laughter] >> We your vocabulary also should be proactive.
(45:47) Vocabulary also should be proactive, right? So an E. What can be the E? >> Well, I would >> emotion. >> I want emotion is energy in motion. Emotion also. So therefore I tell people all my students have like a mantra brave. >> You may go through a difficulty believe the impossible happen. Yeah. >> Our romance with it.
(46:17) >> Mhm. >> A your action should speak. You may be in difficulty action speak. B when you're talking in ordinary life also let the vocabulary be proactive. He your emotion emotion is energy in motion. When you keep this as your atmosphere, as your inner climate see, I'm also a sports psychologist. Now I've stopped going there.
(46:43) I tell I think it was Boris Becker. Boris Becker was the youngest person won the Wimleton. He says before I won the Wimbleton thousands of time he won the Wimbleton inwardly. >> So all sports people I say win Pat Cash if you see he was an unseeded kind of more than 100. He was Pat Cash and the Wimbleton everybody knew Lendel will win but Pat Cash win.
(47:09) So believe in the impossible. So I think if you create this as your atmosphere I call it wasu then there's power in what you so you just like a mantra b r a v e and that's needs bravery bravery to do that in order to achieve I love I love I I love what what I love what you said and it's it really starts with belief it really if you don't believe then nothing is is possible like how do I how do we know like how do we bring clarity about to our lives about what's possible for because a lot of times we there's so much going on in
(47:54) our lives that it's very hard to have the clarity even what is the best for us you know so what is is there anything that you we can do in order to have more clarity >> more clarity see first I'll say be in association with a wise person >> means if I want AI let me be in association people who are very good in AI >> if you want to be a good speaker be in association with a good speaker right if you're in association with the best something best in you will open up right it is something best in you I'll say be in association that's why you
(48:38) have to choose your friends as you choose good food. Socrates said tell me your friends and I'll tell you who you are and Harvard or Stanford I don't remember which says we are an average of five friends five people we are an average of five people so how do you go about is be in association that's why guru is given so much of importance in the Hindu tradition be with a guru not that you have to worship nowadays is becoming like a worship no be in association with a guru all All right. Take the best.
(49:14) All right. Don't have to take some small errors your guru may have and that's why people get disappointed. Take the best. All right. In Sanskrit is a beautiful expression. I'll say in Sanskrit. Yes. >> All right. The qualities of an enlightened person. action the qualities of an enlightened person should be our practice point >> right so therefore I'll simply put in a way if he's an if Buddha is enlightened what are the qualities more than woriing the form nowadays you know you worship a guru put his photograph and then say the
(50:00) guru was smoking then the guru was had drugs and you get lost into that get in a small uh foolish things what is he best absorb download that in your life so that's called satsa he may have small defects it doesn't matter he may eat laddus more don't bother about his lettuce get the other one >> so I say that's that's a formula >> for yeah so associate with the yeah even people that you admire or the the the and and download his his energy.
(50:39) >> Yeah. >> But we are too judgmental that time, you know. [snorts] >> We're judgmental. We'll say no, you should not have been that. You get lost in some kind of stupid uh idiosyncrasies or that >> been associated. Yeah. >> And and maybe you can share your story. How did you go from like let's say pain to potential? Like can you can you share? >> I don't know whether I went through real pain like that or not.
(51:06) I'll tell you one thing. Yes, there was some amount of pain. I'm not saying >> I remember my mother is still alive. Uh she attempted attempted isn't it? She attempted suicide at a very young age because my father is a very good man but he had alcohol habits and we were on a very wellto-d do family in Bangalore those days a respected well to family and you know being part of Indian culture know it appeared my father coming drunk home he's very good person he was not abusing except that and my mother attempted which is there and I
(51:42) that was a pain for her and I I told her when I grew grow big I'll make you proud I said I was only 8 years old boy I don't know I made the statement right and even now my mother stays with me very close to me so I made that when I have made that then I also observed my college we came from rich family at that point of time not now now India Bangalore has become very rich come from I saw lot of people wearing drugs in Bangalore Bangalore is one place fashion starts monetiz rises in Bombay gets branded in Delhi right that's the kind
(52:19) of pathway so the fashion that time the drug movement started >> all right and in Bangalore drug was light that time grass harshish not crack cocaine ecstasy and all that >> everybody was taking drugs >> everyday means my rich circle of friends I was not taking not that I was not tempted but I was not taking all right and a lot of people having relationship are teens you know 17 18 and They're suffering with their teens for a marriage break, girlfriend drops them thing.
(52:51) Then I come to a rich family. So I used to ask my family, right? Are you happy? Are you happy? I promise as a young kid I was asking are you happy? Because I see my friends they take ras they take hashish. One time after miserable they have a relationship after. So I had had fun with her afterwards she ditched me and went away. So sex and drugs as a youngster was the most attractive thing.
(53:18) I could never see my colleagues. None of them were happy. All right. Then I asked to have my family asking members of who was successful. Are you happy? >> Nobody seems to give an example. I'm happy. >> Oh really? >> Very dillydally. >> That time my guru was giving a discourse on the second chapter of the Gita. >> Yeah. >> Where he said happiness is inside you.
(53:48) It is a eye opener for me. Happiness is inside. What do you mean atma? What do you mean inside? I know inside is only stomach. >> Yeah. >> All right. Then I say something more. Happiness inside because all outer happiness were fleeting. So what is that inside? At a young age, I went and joined the monastery and studied the scriptures.
(54:11) I didn't limit myself to the scriptures. I studied the scriptures. What is meant by inside? And that's how my journey went. Right? To see what is inside because inside for me only the body and the blood. There's something which is beyond the mind, beyond the body. There's a consciousness, there is a void, there's emptiness, there's puram pamid.
(54:33) So that was my journey which went I say is there real pain yes when mother attempted that was a little jerk. So there's no love affair rejections and nothing happened like that those were there then I went in journey >> I had my own ups and downs of the journey whether it's really right or not >> and that's why for me I never glorified a guru.
(55:01) I'm seeing many people they glorify the guru. My guru is only a GPS for me to go forward. >> Yeah. >> GPS to go forward that that's the direction I went there. >> Okay. Wow. What a what a what a journey Swami and and you you spoke about um you had ups and downs. If you mind sharing what was the one of the lowest moments? ups and downs is I do my best.
(55:31) >> So I'm running an organization. >> All right. I believe only giving clarity is not enough. It should land in action. >> Okay. >> Right. So we have to do service to society. >> Mhm. >> At the same time we should spiritually grow. You cannot spiritually grow when people next to you are suffering from poverty etc. So this all it's mutual.
(55:57) So I help the team help the team. So we do 10,000 meals every day we give in our >> so much of education we give stances we give all that but we have to operate from the team and from my programs only the whatever income I do the team so when I do the team sometimes my own students sometimes they feel oh swami is close to this person >> he's neglecting me and there's something there so those are called kind of downs baba you know I'm not close to anybody I'm not married to anybody to be closed all right if you
(56:37) call me so I'm spending with you so much when swami gi calls me to his house he doesn't come no it is ridiculous which is that so those are some of the ups and downs you go through an organization >> and an organization some errors also will happen in organization will not get into the nitty because I have to fit into the accounting law I have to make sure I'm very very ethical in that way and sometimes they make some blunders I have to be very alert to that they justify the blunders all right so I need to manage that these
(57:11) are some ups and downs and we'll stop at that those are the things administratively ups and downs >> I see >> say for example right now I'm telling you I have six acres of land right now right next to Ravish Shanka asham I have six acres of land now Each acre must be about 15 or 10 crores, right? It's another somebody has encroached.
(57:34) >> From there we do agriculture and we have a goshala. Cows also will come. From there we take and come to our kitchen here and feed the poor. Somebody's encroached there and said that Swami G has willed the money gifted the property to him and now and now we have to go to the court on that and the signature also is false.
(58:02) >> Wow. >> Now 25 lakhs I have to pay to the lawyer. So this this it's a big uh issue. No >> how who will give sixaks of land to somebody whom I don't know. >> All right. So those things in the worldly life that is there so there to be calm to be centered is a ch I say god has given me to be calm there all right so go to the resourceful lawyer let him handle it so treat everything like a challenge it's a lesson for you to practice being calm but do the needful do the needful >> and that's why I say nobody's life
(58:42) you'll have zero problems Nobody's life will have zero problems. So problems will come. How do you relate? An enlightened way to relate a problem. An unenlightened way to relate to problem. An enlightened way. God is teaching me something. Be peaceful. Do your best. >> Yeah. >> Unenlightened way is you worry, you fret, you fume.
(59:08) And everybody's life will have problems. >> If you're married, one set of problem, not married, another set of problem. If you have one spouse, one set a problem. Many spouses are booking a problem. [laughter] >> Okay. >> And what is your biggest fear? >> Uh I have to look into that. You ask me question. >> The way the world is going, we are destroying the planet earth.
(59:36) All right. We try to go to Mars, right? find out life and in the earth the present war is destroying life. The way ecology imbalance is happening if I'm not mistaken every day there is one species in this world being destroyed roughly I may be wrong one or two every species the fear is we are destroying this planet earth very badly that's all it is we try to go somewhere else now the wars which is happening now you know what the war happening everyone is going try to be will try to become this one dash dash I
(1:00:15) think we just destroying the planet earth. >> Yeah, that's a big that's a big one. >> That's a big fear big one >> is there. But >> that only shows there is why so much of war is outside because there is war inside. >> Yeah. >> When there's garbage inside, garbage in is garbage out. So people have to look the you're fighting something you're fighting inside. Ego has become more important.
(1:00:46) macro perception has come the too much of micro only me I I I has become important the we is not that's why in gaitri mantra or the famous mantra we say let us all be enlightened I am praying we don't put singulara is plural we all have to be enlightened so planet earth is definitely ly in a big danger. >> Yeah.
(1:01:20) Yeah. You you you mentioned about that that inner conflict. There's a lot of inner garbage out there, right? So people who are watching us uh like they they they maybe they going through a tough time >> right now. Um what is their message to them? >> Tough time is not a problem. Tough time is a challenge. Okay. You want to keep problem if you love the word problem keep it. It's a challenge.
(1:01:44) t of time is a challenge and in the challenge be open and some creativity will open up. See for example in COVID came so many organizations I know right used to fire people we are running a nonprofit organization we have one here one in the states we're not from all right I never fired anybody from our staff yes they have to work from home we gave our bonuses we gave everything all right there and my 70% of my income in the nonprofit organization is through my corporate talks One one hour talk is three lakhs to five lakhs not for me for our organization
(1:02:27) three to five and all corporates have rated me as excellent which is there 3 to five 75% of my income for the organization corporate talks when covid happened what has happened you can't go to the companies so we got into online technology when you went to online technology now I started a course of 199 rupees for 5 days my chartered accountant laughed swam you can as well give it free no >> 1 hour before co is three to five lakhs >> now 5 days I'm taking 199 rupees he said laughed I said no let us be so we counted online blah blah blah and my
(1:03:09) charities during covid time was 5x to 10x more >> wow >> so I it's magic you have to allow for miracles happened 5x to 10x more lot of people said right and that time 15,000 meals we started supplying to people now how do you supply food we cook in our asham then he said give it to the police stations police people will meet each other so we so therefore that problem became a challenge and our team picked up online technology very well or is we were busy in on-site programs we never online with that so that problem became
(1:03:48) a challenge became an opportunity for creativity. So for the people I have to say sir, God gives us problem not to tumble us but to humble us. >> All right. Just look into possibilities in life. Yes, you may go through tough time and that tough time keep the body healthy. Keep that answer. Keep in mind answer. All right.
(1:04:14) Look into possibilities. All right. And then some creativity will open up. Human beings are very creative. All right. So therefore, you know, I love this example. When I was in Califur, one of my programs got cancelled. And Shakila, she she was a she's even now she's an American citizen. >> All right.
(1:04:35) Even though she's a operations, she's a CEO here. That time we both and my younger brother from Italy, my younger brother is in Italy. All three went to Hawaii. It's a nice for the audience. Nice example. one program got cancelled you can sit and worry you got cancelled so he said let's go for a holiday >> right I always believe in vacation work and vacation went for Hawaii how went there you know Hawaii is so beautiful when the waves came all of us were backing off but the local people took the surf >> and when the waves came they had fun
(1:05:09) with the waves did they fall or not they used to fall and they had fun because they knew surfing Whereas we never knew surfing. I say same thing. Life problems are like waves. >> Yeah. >> Learn surfing. You will fall. Enjoy the fall. In martial art first they teach you how to fall. However good you will fall. How to fall wisely.
(1:05:34) >> Wow. >> All right. So therefore I said problems are there. Be a surf rider. Have fun with the waves. You'll still fall. So have fun. And when you do that you you know fall is beautiful. >> Wow. >> Right. So that's why this is a beautiful hurd I said to a Pakistan person be bin and the Pakistan journalist was so happy with this sh. All right.
(1:06:08) I learned from the ocean. Look at the ocean. It goes on flowing and it is enjoying it. >> The waves go up, the waves go down. Life up and down. Enjoy. When a sabud life so there were problems, have fun with the problems. Have fun with the problems is there. >> Not that you will not be difficult. You have difficulty and difficulty also of fun. Life is boring without fun.
(1:06:41) >> [laughter] >> life just imagine whatever you imagine you want to get married to miss world miss world comes you want to have produce children get there's no fun in that >> when you have difficulty right then only there is fun but there your sympathetic nervous system your parasympathetic nervous system both should be in balance your sympathetic nervous system fight and flight your parasympathetic nerves how to be calm Both should be there.
(1:07:14) And that's why when I was recently in Florida, I think there I went to the what is that? Huh? >> World. >> Huh? >> Disney World. >> Yeah. Disney World. Serenetti. They create an artificial serenity. >> See, I'm a lover of wildlife. I go every time, you know, Tanzania. No, recently I've stopped. All right. They created right a sarangetti. All right.
(1:07:40) Cheetah was there. Lion was there. Wilder beast was there. Deer is there. All dead. All were dead. You have been there? >> No. >> All right. Have you been to Africa? >> I've been. >> Yeah. You see Serenetti. The moment you see a lion, a leopard, what life it is. I remember in Tanzania I saw a rhinoceros running.
(1:08:03) What life? I saw a cheetah. What life? All right. But the same thing they created in Disneyland. >> Yeah. >> Everybody is feeding them dead. So that means what? In that wild life the challenges made them alive. In in your Disneyland same sarangi are created but all dead. They give for cheetah food, they give for the lion food.
(1:08:29) All are dead. So challenges makes us vibrant. Wow, what a what a way to to to end our conversation. [laughter] >> Wow, that was wonderful. Yeah. So maybe to to finalize maybe what is one thing that you would like to leave our audience like with one message that you would like to leave our audience? >> What a little lamp can do the great sun cannot do. What a little lamp can do.
(1:09:05) You and I are little lamps. The great sun cannot do. You know what it can shine in the night. The sun cannot shine in the night. You and I are little lamps. Let us do our best. Let us not compare ourselves to the sun. What a little lamp can do, the great sun cannot do. It can shine in the night. You and I little lamps.
(1:09:30) Whatever little we can in this podcast we're trying to contribute as lamp. Oh, I have not come in CNN. I have not come there. Forget about that. >> So you and I are little lamps. What we can do? The great sun cannot shine the night. So let us continue. Let us not say I have not got power. I said do your best. Every day do your best.
(1:09:53) Every day do your best and the rest will come. We doing we are doing the podcast. must be given the best given the limitation of time. >> Yeah. >> Given the limitation of the audience or else I can quote lot of Sanskrit lot of this. No no no whatever every day if I learn to give the best best. He gives not the best who gives the most.
(1:10:16) In my book I've said he gives not the best who gives the most but he gives the most who gives the best. Mhm. >> If I cannot give bountiful, if I cannot give bountiful, yet I will give freely. And what I lack in my hand, I'll supply it with my heart. For the heart of education is the education of the heart. Right.
(1:10:38) >> Wow. >> Right. So wonderful talking to you. >> Wow. That was wonderful. I think I I mean was for me was a a pleasure first to meet you. I think you have such a great energy. >> You I love your wisdom. Thank you for sharing your wisdom. >> Thank you for calling me >> and >> generally I rarely go to podcasts and all that.
(1:10:58) >> Why did you come to this one >> law of attraction? [laughter] I like good and jolly people like you. I don't like serious people. You know I very humorously say [laughter] you know I say you know a lot of people are very serious. Have you seen [laughter] a lot of people are very serious. Yeah. >> They seriously get married. Yeah.
(1:11:21) >> Seriously go to honeymoon. Seriously give birth children and they come and ask me Swami G my son is serious. What should I do? It says manufacturers defect. What [laughter] I tell you? So you're not serious. You're jolly. All right. And I've seen so many podcasts. Oh, they say like that or like this. My guru did like this.
(1:11:41) I've seen some podcast or blaming the guru and saying then you say [laughter and clears throat] I'm not blaming the guru and the guru was this one. Right. their own blame. >> Yeah, >> sir. >> In the lighter note >> because I was seeing I think one of your podcasts only. I'm sorry. All right. Somebody is just saying the guru had some drugs habit.
(1:12:01) I'm blah blah blah and therefore dash dash dash. Sir, if you go on complaining like this, there's no end. >> Yeah. >> Isn't it? I humorously say God himself is imperfect. Tell me why. Tell me why. Why? >> Because he's greedy. You won't die. [laughter] So, so where is the question? You're telling your guru is wrong, guru is [laughter] broken.
(1:12:29) So, unless we see elegance in imperfection, [laughter] we have to see elegance in imperfection. >> Or else you go on saying you want a perfect guru, perfect boss, perfect God. There's no such thing as perfect, >> isn't it? So I want the audience to keep in mind write this perfect see elegance in imperfection elegance and and live a simple life.
(1:12:54) I'm I'm forced to say this beautifully and I'll end up living is simple. Getting married is simple. Getting diverse is simple. Then why it is so complicated? Because people don't know how to live a simple life. >> Yeah. >> Right. They live a complicated life. I am a guru. I am this one. I am this. So simplify life.
(1:13:28) And you'll see elegance in imperfection. You'll see beauty infection. >> And give your best every day. >> Every day. Give your best. >> Done. >> Forget it. Don't bother about the result. [laughter] >> Very good. Wonderful talking to you. It's a beautiful namaste. >> And namaste is you and I are one. >> Yes. >> Yeah. And so beautiful. Thanks a lot.
(1:13:50) And uh wonderful. >> That was wonderful.
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