A PULSE DIAGNOSIS SO ACCURATE, IT SHOCKS PEOPLE | Nadi Expert Dr.Mahesh Krishnamurthy |GopalRajLabs

A PULSE DIAGNOSIS SO ACCURATE, IT SHOCKS PEOPLE | Nadi Expert Dr.Mahesh Krishnamurthy |GopalRajLabs

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(00:00) So when I listen to the nari, it gives me your thoughts, it gives me your unconscious memory, it gives me your history, it gives me your past. To the extent that I am silent, the more silent I am, the more deep or the more revelations that I get. So this prana is something that carries vital information.
(00:22) [music] >> And when once it gets into the body, it carries information about your body. It carries information about your organs, about your tissues, about your vessels, about your nerves, about your sensory organs, about about your hair. It contains information about everything. >> So we'll not call it pulse diagnosis.
(00:41) We'll call it narika. >> Thank you. Kafa people have the temperament to just wait till you're done. The vata person will say just just finish. A pitha person will say that why are you explaining so much? You know, you'll be the judgmental one. I placed my fingers on the nadi and I felt the same oscillation. I said, "Dr.
(01:00) Harasan, you have got so much heat in this small intestine. What's the problem?" So he laughed and he said few years ago they were traveling somewhere and then there was a truck with these iron bars. So it pierced the truck suddenly [music] suddenly break and then the car couldn't break.
(01:19) So the iron rods pierced his abdomen. So 10 ft of his intestines were taken away. Nadi parika in a way is excellent in terms of telling you whether this condition is treatable, manageable, curable or not curable. So within that narika we've got to know very clearly this you should not waste your time, energy, effort trying to cure this condition. Today we sat with Dr.
(01:39) Mahesh Krishna Morti founder of the Nadari Chikita Institute for Ayurvedic Studies specializing in Nadi Parika Marmma Chikitsa and Dut Nadi Parika an engineer turned Nadi Chikita pioneer Dr. Mahesh has spent over two decades practicing this ancient method learned in the foothills of the Himalayas and he has trained thousands of ayurvedic doctors and therapists.
(02:07) He holds a honorary doctorate for his work in naradi parikha and a title of nadi visheshagya conferred by Aayosh government of hana. If you find value in the show hit that subscribe button right now. We're committed to bringing you the stories and expert insights you need to stay ahead of the curve. Don't miss the next deep dive. Subscribe today.
(02:37) Happy to have you here at the labs Dr. from Mahesh right u I'm so excited to have you uh at the show and uh we have lots to discuss uh and lots to also clear in terms of uh the meanings we're going to talk about nari parika a simplistic word for that while not in completion a simplistic word for that would be pulse diagnosis right so let's uh get started right so firstly how did you get into uh the nadi parikha or the pulse diagnosis right and especially you you coming from a engineering background and then uh how did this happen when did
(03:21) you move into this area and how >> okay this was in 1998 >> okay >> um I was down with a severe backachche and I was in I was in bed and um funnily a friend of mine um um suggested that we see a raiki practitioner. Okay. And I'm a technical mindset and my and my parents had taken me to a neurosurgeon and orthopedic surgeon and they looked at me and they said you've got a slip disc rest for 2 weeks and then if nothing happens then we'll see.
(03:58) So that was uh that was technical right. So in these raiki practitioners they said they'll come home and they will do raiki on you which is completely for me it was I mean that lingo did not exist in my head at all what is raiki what are they going to do instead they are bank employees I mean that just threw me off but then I had no other option because I was down on my stomach lying down for 10 days and then these two people walk in and they said we'll play some audio you just listen to it and we'll do raiki on
(04:31) you. I said, "Okay." Uh, nobody was at home. [laughter] They asked for an audio player. I showed them one. I couldn't bend down. [snorts] I just said, "You have to close your eyes." So, in my mind, it takes 45 minutes to empty empty a house. And they wanted me to close my eyes. So, that was [laughter] that was my mindset.
(04:55) So, I closed my eyes for 15 minutes and there was no sound except for this music that was playing. It was pretty soothing. Then I opened my eyes and I saw these people drawing dragons in thin air. You know they were going like that. If I observed them I was quite intrigued and what are they doing? And then they said you don't have a slip disc. You have a dark mask.
(05:14) Meditate and you will and it'll go. So I thought ah you know there are these professionals who have told me that I have a slip disc and there bank employees who are doing raiki and telling me that I don't have a slip disc. So 10 days passed and um there was um another senior very senior orthopedic surgeon who had just returned from a bypass in Jayagar and my parents said let's go to him he's a he's a very valuable opinion so once inside uh his chamber they said can you bend this side can you bend that side I was quite okay
(05:52) by by the end of almost two weeks and then he said let's take an X-ray Now those two doctors did not take an X-ray. Okay. So he's the first person who take took an X-ray and he said you don't have a slip disc. I said oh. And then he said you know you chappies after you get out of college you get off your cycles and then get onto the bike.
(06:16) So the last osteopite in you is missing which happens in which is in about 10% of the population. So you have fat accumulation there. So it's muscular lago. you just have to exercise and you go practice some yoga and you'll be all right. Now suddenly these bank employees became important people in my head.
(06:33) I said wow these guys were right. I mean just by they're doing something in thin air and they were able to tell me. So then I took up the newspaper and saw yoga institute and u I signed up and then one led to the other and then I got certified and my back pain went by then. [clears throat] >> Okay.
(06:54) from slip disc to >> from slip disc to more >> black mass and uh nothing >> and nothing and no back pain >> okay >> until now I haven't had the back pain so this is in 1998 and we are in 2026 >> and after that um I so I started practicing yoga and they they put me on a dissertation they sent me to clients they say you go help him help him help him now the first person was an income tax commissioner who was due to retire now I was 28 just going on 29 at the time and uh so I was been to his house and he had gone for a walk early morning 7:30.
(07:32) So he comes back from his walk one look at me he said you're too young for me. So I said well I have a job to do [laughter] and then 15 days into the therapy he was into alcohol and smoking and I don't know how and he doesn't know how he stopped smoking. He stopped drinking. >> Okay. >> And he said we have to keep in touch.
(07:56) Well, we didn't. But the point is that it made a difference to him. Now, that was the starting point. And then the second one, the third one was a significant one. This was a lady from US who an Indian who had recovered from a brain hemorrhage and the doctors had asked her not to move not to move her head.
(08:17) You know, you should not move your neck to the left or the right. So 5 years she was like that fixed. I mean she would move her shoulders if she wanted to turn. >> So the neck had become like a rock and so her problem was that if she and she was a director of a computer company and if she worked on the computer for about 15 minutes she had to rest for 4 hours.
(08:42) That was her condition. And she had access to the best doctors in the US. She was a she was a wealthy woman. But the doctor's suggestion was sell your house, sell your car, put your arms in your hands in your pocket, raise your shoulders, and this is going to be your position for the rest of your life.
(09:00) That was the suggestion they gave her. So when I walked into her house, she gave me a bunch of a huge file and said, "Go through it, please. This is my medical record." So I went through it and I said, "Okay." Not I mean that was my education actually not that I understood anything prior to having that file and after that I did quite a bit of research and tried to understand what her condition was and I started working with her with yoga postures and she was parallelly taking ayuretic treatment in in an institute.
(09:34) So 3 years of 3 months at a time. So 3 months then she goes back and comes back in the later part of the year and we have another three months. >> So like this we do six cycles and she completely recovered. >> Okay. And that's with yoga. >> That's combination of yoga and aryic treatment. Okay. >> So at the end of it the ayurdic the people who were treating her with ayurvea they said we want to meet this yoga practitioner because just with ayurvea this is not possible.
(10:06) So as far as I was concerned, I discovered that I had um an ability which I didn't know that I had to alter breathing techniques and postures. This was something I employed specific to her need and that was not taught to me and that made a significant difference to how her body responded. And um to give you an example, if you have to move the shoulders this way and if you had a problem in your neck, just moving your shoulders this way would be painful.
(10:44) But if you would exhale while doing this, it just relaxes your shoulder muscles. Okay? >> This was something I discovered while I was helping her out. And so she took me to the institute and they said, "Uh, we are happy. We are noticing what you are doing. we're happy with the improvements and would you want to join us and they offered me a senior research fellow position uh to research in yoga shastras and then before I started they sent me to Chennai to Krishna yoga mantrum >> and there what I had done where I had intuitively altered the breathing
(11:22) techniques and the and the postures was something they were teaching. >> Okay. Okay. So it cames it came as a welcome gift to me actually >> convergence. >> Yes. >> And um the person who was teaching there was Desiachar who is the son of Krishna Machara. For those who don't know who Krishna is, he is the guru of BK Sangar and Patabi Joyce.
(11:46) >> Okay. >> And he used to do nari parika and teach yoga. This was my first introduction to naria. So when I saw him and I watched him something inside just lit up. I went and asked him can you teach me nipa? He said no. So that was a kind of pul just confused. [laughter] But then the fire was already on you know and then um it was it was a a beautiful uh one month of intense training 7 hours every day with a lot of observation developing observation skills which was much needed >> and he finally accepted you
(12:25) >> no he didn't he didn't >> okay okay >> so what happened was one Saturday we were let off we say that okay today's off day for you so we were in L circle which is in Chennai which is in myapur so I was just walking ing the street and I hit upon this store motil banar sidas and we walked into the store and there was this book out there secrets of the pulse by Dr.
(12:49) wasn't blood and I just grabbed that book. I said, "Wow." I flipped the pages. I couldn't understand anything. Okay. [laughter] But the book kept calling out, you know, four times I picked the book and I flipped the pages and the diagrams of the pulse and all those things and then I tried to read a few paragraphs and I said, "Wow, I mean this is uh not not very light." So I put it back.
(13:10) So finally left it where in the stands I didn't pick up that book and then I came back and resumed my class finished it and joined in this organization where I'm work assumed the position of the senior research fellow 3 months down the line my brother calls me now my I have an older brother who was in marketing so he quick he's he he developed panic attacks just because he was always posted in in failing markets and he had this amazing ability to prove himself >> and a lot of targets.
(13:41) >> Yeah. So he started off with 1 cr a year. >> Okay. >> And it and because of his ability to prove himself the time when he left the the job was 12 crores a month. >> Okay. >> So that was a peak. And >> this which year? >> This was in 1999. >> That's pretty >> pretty big then. >> 99. Uh sorry it was in 2002 >> 202 >> 2002 >> and then he called me to uh and he left his job he went to Kerala learned some yoga and then he went off to Masuri and he settled there but above Dhadun >> okay
(14:24) >> he called me and he said why don't you come so for me it was very simple accommodation free of him free food so I said wow so I went when I went there he said Mahesh I want you to learn something I said okay and he brought the very same book the secrets of the pulse by Dr. Vasant and he taught me how to read the book, how to understand the book and how to do narika.
(14:52) >> So your brother already knew >> he had learned from somebody in Kerala and somebody from the Himalayas. >> Okay. Okay. >> So he was he's he was the one who introduced me to naria and then he said first you need to feel the pulse and you need to feel this and everything that he told I seem to already know.
(15:11) So there was there wasn't a newness to it. It's kind of you know it's kind of knowledge coming back. >> I know some something lingering already which kind of you know >> until then until then I had no idea what it was. And when he started uh teaching me he just started coming. He just started coming.
(15:31) I said yes I'm able to do it. Yes I'm able to do it. Yes I'm able to do it. So for I visited him a few times for in about an year and a half's time and I learned quite a bit. I would say that set the complete foundation of of uh my study. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So that's that's where the learning started. >> Okay. And so you got into this by 2002.
(15:53) >> I got into it by 2002. By n 2001 was when I first saw it >> with desicach. In 2002 was when I was I started learning it. >> Okay. Okay. Okay. So uh before this you were an engineer working >> I was working in the software industry in the in the hardware industry. I like my job.
(16:17) I got promotions and all that salary raises >> but something inside me wasn't happy. >> I know I know and also that that would have been the the peak of the software industry in India right I mean your 90s and 2000s. >> Yeah. So, so the company where I was working was a multimedia company and uh they were doing it they were into preparing training materials.
(16:41) So you had uh uh we used we used Macs and that time we had Macs were really expensive and uh we had this software called director and we had to do programming. So I got into programming all that and uh quite a bit of stuff. >> Okay. And we prepared a training manual for for quite a few companies and making game soft game software.
(17:02) >> Okay. >> Children's game software. I know >> we started doing all that. >> Okay. And then into naughty >> into this >> drifted into complete [laughter] contrasting fields. True. >> True. >> Okay. Okay. So, so just u kind of we need to kind of uh nardi is not pulse right. This is something which we discussed >> not only the pulse.
(17:25) >> It's not only the pulse uh but uh there's a flow of the blood through your uh you know arteries veins that is being analyzed or the quality of that blood flow is being analyzed where my limited understanding would be pulse is quantitative and nadi would be qualitative. [snorts] Uh is that how it is? Could you explain what nadi is? >> Okay.
(17:52) So let me let me uh take you through my journey. All right. >> Okay. >> Initially I was taught that when the pulse moves like this that means this when it moves like this that means this. So there was more of a of a uh watching the nardi you know watching watching the pulse actually that's what I I did in the beginning.
(18:11) I watched the pulse move in specific directions. So a modern medical doctor wouldn't be able to watch this pulse move because this goes a little deeper than that. And then I would write down okay this is this this this this this and then sit and analyze and then come to a conclusion. But as time went by and uh one of the main contributors is sitting in meditation from 1998 onwards from when I got the back pain from then I started meditating and uh I still do even to this day I I do that.
(18:44) So that has been a huge contribution to what I do. So why I brought that into this conversation is that slowly I stopped analyzing and started only listening. So when I listen to the nardi it gives me your thoughts. It gives me your your unconscious memory. It gives me your history. It gives me your past. To the extent that I am silent, the more silent I am, the more deep or the more revelations that I get.
(19:19) So I listen to the nadi. When I listen to the nadi, I get to know what emotions your mother was going through when you were in her womb. That's how deep I can get. >> So this this is not pulse then. >> It's not the pulse only. It's not the pulse. No, the pulse is only 72 beats per minute. >> And then you have a ectopic pulse when you have a heart problem or so or when you're fatigued >> or when you're when when you have when you're u on substance abuse then then the pulse moves differently.
(19:55) So a do a modern medical doctor will be able to tell more or less what's happening with you but nothing more than that. But narisha is different. So it has a bit of intuition associated with it. >> No, >> just like I mean u s suits saying astrology is it linked to this? >> No. Um even astrology for that matter I don't believe it's got to do with intuition because >> okay >> see [snorts] my father had a friend who was a scientist.
(20:32) >> Okay. And this scientist was working in the nature of science in a lab. And he confided in my father. He said that every everything that I discovered before I it got into my head, I would see flashes of light in my lab. Right? So, so there are revelations. These revelations, every idea is born in silence.
(21:03) Every single idea, be it this microphone, be it your spectacles, whatever it is, everything is born in silence. And the one thing that we do in nipsha is silence. So when you're in when you're silent, then you listen more. You listen deep. So you should you should actually be very I mean calming the mind at this day and age right I mean with lot of distractions be the phone be it work or somebody calling or work itself right or clients for when with respect to you right so how do you kind of maintain that you completely go off you switch
(21:49) off everything and then you go off silent is that how you do it to sensitize your mind better so that you can analyze better. >> I wake I wake up before all of it starts. [laughter] >> Okay. So what would that be? >> So I wake up at 3:15 every morning. >> Okay. >> So So know so even birds don't start at that time.
(22:10) >> Okay. >> And that's the time I sit in my sadena. >> Okay. >> And that's the quietest period. It's the it's the even even in if you just before dawn that's also the coolest period. It's the quietest period and it's it's a time when you can really connect with yourself. >> Okay. So you calm your mind. >> I rise above the mind.
(22:31) You can't calm the mind. The mind is actually accasha and vu. So it's always vibrant thought with thoughts always. So you can't do anything with that. >> But I rise above the mind. So go one above. It's like an aircraft going above the clouds. >> H one level after the other. Yeah. >> Kind of thing. Okay. Okay. Okay.
(22:52) So how do you differentiate this? So nadi for a for a lay man. How do you differentiate nadi versus the pulse? We know you spoke about the beats and stuff but how is nari done? >> So there are three fingers. >> Okay. >> So these are three fingers that we use. So primarily these are primarily we call it as the vata finger, pitha finger, kava finger.
(23:13) Place it on the radial artery. Okay. >> Okay. >> This is for primary for women on the left arm and for the men we put it on the right arm. So once I place my the fingers on the person's nardi then I just listen and um with a modern medical doctor he would just press and then he would uh like you know you press and then he listen to the pulse here we don't press at all we place it as if a feather has been placed on your on your wrist no pressure and then listen the important part is to listen.
(23:44) So as you practice listening, practice listening, practice listening, then you will see that you're able to get more information, more information, more information, more information. So it takes time. It takes time for for you to really get to familiarize yourself with the nadi. >> Okay.
(24:05) So it's like it's like um you know there's a story of uh sir mishe and we were discussing this while we were just driving by that he was resting his head and then he could hear the tracks and he said that stop the train there's a crack in the tracks you know he was so tuned to listening >> that he could listen to the crack in the tracks sitting in the train so it's very similar to that >> yeah that's a nice example [laughter] okay so so is it is Is it associated with feeling or is it that when you kind of uh you know touch you know with the three fingers there are there are things
(24:42) that kind of come in your mind and that is what uh you kind of interpret it and then I don't even interpret okay >> you know I would call it see um as you when you see the see by let me explain physiology ology uh and and the nadi. Okay. Now when you breathe in then air goes into your lungs and then you have alvuli and then you have uh the blood vessels the the process of osmosis they absorb the oxygen and then supply to the different parts of the body and that's prana.
(25:20) Typically when you breathe out then you have the veins coming and then you have the deoxxygenated blood coming to the lungs and then you breathe out. Right? This is a regular process that happens. And every time you breathe in, you're breathing in consciousness. You're breathing in prana. >> Okay? Like the Bhagat Gita says, a jati prana prana, you know.
(25:42) So it's like prana comes in and aana goes out. Aana is the lower part of the body from where you defecate and urinate. So all the so the prana goes out and prana comes in. Now >> when prana comes in, it brings with it with it life. All right? Now anything that has got prana is called prani. >> Prani. Okay. >> Prani. >> So it's a very local term prani. Right.
(26:03) Prani means anything that contains prana. >> Anything that contains. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So >> creature. Any creature. Yeah. >> Any creature. >> Right. >> So this prana is something that carries vital information. H >> And when once it gets into the body, it carries information about your body. It carries information about your organs about your tissues about your vessels about your nerves about your sensory organs about about your hair.
(26:28) It contains information about everything. So once I place my fingers on the nadi typically the radial artery that's where I place. So there are different places. One is place here then we can place here. >> Okay? >> And then we place behind the uh knees and also near the ankles. There are five different locations where we can place the place our fingers.
(26:52) [clears throat] So when we are when we listen the question so when we listen we don't we don't ask you what is your problem. >> Okay >> we start telling you that um you must be having hair falls. >> Okay. >> So or you must be having vision blur. So you must be having some ringing in the ears. So how am I able to tell? I am observing the nardi and the nardi moves in a particular way that then it gives indications that your digestion is off your gut health is not good and we can go with with training you can go to the extent of telling what you've
(27:31) just eaten in the last few days. Okay, it's quite a bit of it's it's extremely uh potent information that we get into all by just feeling that nadi just listening. >> Okay. Okay. >> There's more listening that happens which um I think will come out as we talk. >> Okay. Yeah. I mean uh I mean so one thing is so it's definitely not just the blood thing which which you are kind of sensing it is the prana >> it's consciousness consciousness in English prana in our local >> yeah locally what it's called okay okay and um so you've been training a lot of
(28:17) people right so what kind of people come to get trained on nari parisha >> we have >> so we'll not call it uh uh pulse diagnosis we'll call it nari parika. >> Thank you. >> Right. [laughter] >> Since now we know the meaning. Right. >> Right. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So we have um uh different segments. The ayurveetic doctors are the ones uh the ones it's meant for.
(28:41) >> Okay. >> Um but they are the um they're the ones who are most difficult to convince. That's because unfortunately they've been told by their gurus that you know just just use a 1 hour class just go through it. The childrens have got a lot of interest in learning but then there's so much of uh um they put down put down naria saying that it used to happen once upon a time it's not prevalent anymore so uh I think doctors are one one uh segment who come yoga practitioners another segment and then there are people who are interested to learn who
(29:16) who just have inquisitive >> okay >> some people some people are are software engineers and uh Some people like you, >> they're just curious, right? >> Curious to learn. >> Yeah. >> Curious. Okay. Okay. So, uh predominantly uh uh would be Ayurvedic doctors. >> That's what we I want to teach ayurvedic doctors and yoga practitioners.
(29:39) >> Practitioners. Okay. >> So, they can apply it before they come to a conclusion or do an inference of the patient. They need to uh do the nardi. >> That's correct. See, see what you must what you must know is that you cannot read a modern report and uh and give an ayurvedic consultation. All right, that's not possible because we are looking at uh nidana panchaka, we are looking at uh dashida parika, we looking at 10 different types of diagnosis and we're looking at uh uh you know reverse analysis um and then we have and the 10 different
(30:19) type of diagnosis nipia is one of one of them right so and that's how Iic diagnosis typically has been written like the gray anatomy has been written for modern to understand modern biology. So, so, so if you are going to look at modern reports and give an ayurveetic treatment, then you're going to give a symptomatic treatment and aya is not a symptomatic treatment just like modern medicine is not a preventive treatment, right? You can't give a medicines to say that we we preventing you from so that's not how modern medicine was written.
(30:51) Similarly, aya is not written to say okay take these medicines you'll get rid of this pain. That's not how I works. >> Correct? It gets into the source of it. gets you to the source of it. There there is a muscle memory is released. I mean like uh karma is released actually when we do >> when you do an ayurdic treatment >> and that's how you get over the problem.
(31:12) That's why the that's why the treatment takes a little longer. It's because there's so much of so many levels of penetration that happens and then you wash the body thoroughly from inside out and you won't get the problem after that. So it's a very deep treatment and so for that these dashida parika becomes the core tool that va should >> dasha parikas the 10 diagnosis.
(31:40) We have mala parika that is stool analysis. Mutra parika urine analysis. Okay. >> And then jiva parika look at the tongue. Look at the nails. Dika look at the eyes. Then look at the physical structure. And then you have prashna parika. Then you you question you say that okay after looking at all this then I'm able to come to the conclusion that you must be having this.
(32:01) So what else do you have? Is there something that I have missed? And then you also look at the hair. You look at so many different parameters and then you look at the nadi also. So the nadi gives you the longstanding patterns how you have come about. How have you become the way you've become? >> Okay.
(32:24) So the the philosophy between the modern thing and ayura is totally different. We know that very different. >> Okay. So you deal with the diagnosis part of uh say ayurve weather right >> I mean it need not be restricted to ayura it can also be uh you know your yoga practitioners other people also can apply it but predominantly the diagnosis part of ayurvea uh is what you deal with and the doctor so it's Dr. Mah.
(32:55) So you're a doctor. >> I'm a doctorate. >> You're a doctorate. Doctorate in uh what have you? >> Primary it was I was uh given an honorary doctrate primary for my work in Nadi parika. >> Oh in nadi parika. Okay. Okay. Okay great. And you you also categorized people into vata pitha kafa right? >> There are seven categories primarily.
(33:16) >> Oh not three. >> So um yeah people usually ask for what's my body type. You know I'm a vata type. Actually it is what we call as dwanda which means two. So it's vata vatakafa kafa. It's always a combination of two. And finally we have tridosha combination. Thidosha is it's very rare. So it's always two. >> Okay. So vada pa kafa.
(33:44) uh could you give some I mean could you uh give some hints or some descriptors as to how a wata person would be how a pitha person would be how a kafa person would be right at least uh you know I'm talking about not in detail but maybe >> yeah again look we have to look at it at the qualities of two vatapa pithawata vata kafa kafa vata >> okay >> you know we have to look at the combination so you can't have a vata person you can't have just one one quality So it's always two >> I know but I'm saying vat if if if vada is predominant correct
(34:18) >> what kind of >> that's the way that's that's the right description what you mentioned so when we look at a person with vata predominance we're looking at a person who is an ideiator he'll come up with I was like to give you an example I was in a in a store trying to design a banner all right now there was this guy who was a predominant aggravated person he gave me on design I said, "Okay, this is good, but maybe you can improve something.
(34:46) " And he improved it and I said, "Okay, this looks good." Then he goes, "Sir, maybe you should look at another design." Now, I didn't ask for it. Now, he gave me other design. I said, "No, but I go with Sir, let me show you a third design." So, he's an ideiator. He will not arrive at a conclusion. >> So, the decision making is not >> is not there.
(35:05) >> It's not a part of his his his ecosystem >> ecosystem, right? >> His psychology. M >> so he goes on ideiating. So there are a lot of people who love to ideiate. They're just sitting. They're physically not moving but mentally they are not quiet. They are all over the place. So vu typically vu is also called as vata.
(35:25) We call it as a dsha because it's it's gone overboard. So it's not silent anymore. It is like the wind blowing one's left, one's right. It's not consistent. Then we call it as a dsha. So a person who has a vatadosha typically would be physically the skin would become dry and the person would always want something hot and would want something that is dry and um at times they would they will crave for dry but they actually have to have hot food and these are people who who always like to keep munching on something
(35:59) >> snacking >> always snacking on something so v people can so all of all of these are in extremes either he'll be too thin or he'll be too fat Okay. Too fat as well. >> Too fat as well. >> As well. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Kafa people also can be too fat. >> Too fat. >> Mhm. >> So how do you differentiate between a vata and a kafa person who is too fat? >> See this is where nari parisha comes in.
(36:23) I've seen during the during my own training that there was this doctor in in Hariana and who was diagnosed as a kafa person. So they used to treat him and he was not losing his body weight. He was quite stout but he was also very active. He would he was about 105 kilos but then he would run up a flight of stairs.
(36:44) Now they could not put these things things together. As a kafa person you have to be slow. Kafa is a manda you have to be slow. But this guy used to run up a flight of stairs. But they said you're a kafa person because you are stout. But when I checked his nadi I told him that you are vata predominant.
(37:02) He said that's what I've been trying to explain to the doctors. I said, "So these are your qualities. You are ideiating and you run up a flight of stairs and you're always quick in your talk and you always in doing 10 different things." He said, "That's exactly my personality." But he's stout primary because there's a lot of inflammation in the body.
(37:22) >> So visually it's different versus the actual traits or characteristics. >> Right? It's not different. It's a part of you're not different. If you don't do not understand why you completely >> then you would think why is always thin why person will always be thin but you have to understand it's only experience will teach you >> and when we look into the the pitha kind of a person look at perfection judgments anger short-tempered person who would tongue is very sharp and whose eyes are are very sharp very well defined A vat person would have
(38:00) more of the brownish >> kind of eyes. >> And if you look at and these are people who have a very intelligent but can also be perverse with their intelligence. These are people who are pitha who were very good decision makers very stubborn >> actionoriented >> action >> actionoriented more than action they are perfection oriented.
(38:23) show and when you combine pitha and vata with the combination they are so perfect they will never get done >> they'll never finish >> they'll never finish >> okay >> so he's going this to be perfect this to be perfect this to be perfect everything has to be perfect and by that time the idea will change and then they will come up with a different idea >> okay >> and when you look at kafa these are people with excellent memory a vata person would not have good sleep A pitha person would sleep little little less.
(38:54) >> A kafa person would like to sleep all the time. And uh these are people who are slow with everything. Nothing can hurry them. Not even their walk. And uh their speech is also not very fast. >> Okay. >> And uh when you mix >> are they termed as lazy? >> They can be >> lethargy would be lethargy. Yeah. Lazy would not be the right word.
(39:17) Lethargic which means that they're slow to start with everything. That's a quality you know you need all qualities you know sometimes you need >> you need all kinds of people >> you need all kinds of people HR people are the kafa people I would like to say they have to be the kafa people they have to just absorb everything sit there and wait till you finish now you have that temperament you know kafa people have the temperament to just wait till you're done >> person will say just just finish a pitha person will say that why are you
(39:43) explaining so much you know he'll be the judgmental one the kawa people are pretty slow But when you get a combination of kafa and vata then you could get so much into details and explain so much you can bore a person to death. >> Okay. >> So these are the kafa and vata. >> Okay. >> So from >> so you have the creative aspect as well you have the patience coming in coming with it and you have the patience with to go with all the details and stuff right.
(40:11) >> Yes. But then it has come it has both sides. one side you could go into the details and explain yourself understand very deeply and then go on explaining that's one side these people are can become very good lecturers you know sometime lecturers don't listen they just go on talking okay >> so these could be the kafawata people but if you look into the medical aspect of it kafawata kind of a biology is the most difficult to treat it's like a balance which will never come never be stable it's always one is heavier you
(40:40) try to reduce vayu kafa becomes more try to reduce kafa becomes more it's the most difficult biology to handle. >> Okay. Okay. >> And pithar kafa and kafa pitha are the most stable. These are most stable. They have the right amount kafa >> and kafita is so they are the most stable.
(41:01) These are people who have got the right amount of determination, right amount of bullheadedness, light amount of ego, right amount of stubbornness and they're very strong physically. They're very strong. They have very healthy bone structure, very healthy muscle tone, muscle structure. So there are different these are seven types typically.
(41:20) So >> okay in combinations you >> in combinations. >> In combinations okay so so uh um have you come across any unique combinations in people? I mean you mentioned the trosa that is uh all of these are equal. >> Yes. >> Right. Have you come across any examples? I have just about I think two people I have seen in the last 25 years.
(41:44) >> Okay. That's that's really rare. >> Yeah. I mean like I haven't seen all the people in the world. >> I know. I know. But I'm saying still I mean you you must have seen a lot of >> I've seen thousands thousands of people but then yeah two out of two >> two but then but then there's nothing which says that this is the favorite combination you know this is the best combination.
(42:03) There is no best combination. >> Okay. >> Just like >> okay. Okay. >> It's not that that is the best. >> It doesn't uh give you any additional boost in your intellect or >> Okay. >> Okay. So, it's just there. >> It's just there. >> It's just there. Okay. Okay. And um so how do so once you finish off your uh nadi parika you check the nadi you know the person and and then uh we also discussed that you can actually talk about the psychology of the person the thought process what they're thinking and in fact you mentioned also what they've had
(42:44) >> right >> right so how does that come about right how do you get that uh is it like a is it like a feeling Or is it like a thought which kind of comes? How do you interpret that? >> Um is it done through practice? I know it's done through practice. >> No, no, no, it's not done through practice. >> Okay. >> In fact, the first time I experienced this was when I was called to Chennai.
(43:12) >> Okay. >> All right. So, they said there was this 11-year-old boy and his legs are weak and they're trying to strengthen his legs and they want to have a consultation with you. At that point in time I didn't know this long distance duta nadi parika I didn't know um so I went to so they took me to Chennai I went to this boy's house 11 yearear-old boy I put the fingers on the on the nadi and immediately there was a voice which spoke in my ears this is the first time I have this experience said this boy was born under stress
(43:45) w [laughter] that was voice which spoke in my ear and I didn't know what that was so I told them so but but I believe what what I experienced so I told the men folk are all sitting there and this boy is sitting in front of me I said this boy was born under stress they said no normal delivery I said oh so maybe I'm wrong so I put my fingers on the nari again it said this boy is born under stress I said can you please call the boy's mother she was in the kitchen she came out and I asked her was this boy born under stress she said yes. The
(44:21) baby was coming out and this and they said please hold back the baby. The senior gynecologist is not here yet. So I had to hold back the baby in my uterus for about 90 seconds. So the so the pranavayu affected the aanoay affected the prana of the baby which is the head got affected. So the boy was also a little autistic and the apanavay got affected the hips and the legs got affected.
(44:51) So this becomes a what we call as a praa dsha which means that congenitally from birth this boy is having a defect. So nadi parika in a way is excellent in terms of telling you whether this condition is treatable, manageable, curable or not curable. So within that naria we got to know very clearly this you should not waste your time, energy, effort trying to cure this condition.
(45:16) It's not going to work because he was born with this. >> Okay. >> His birth led to this defect. The way he was born. >> Okay. So there's no remedy. >> There's no remedy. >> Okay. So then they'll have to look at other ways or something. >> There is no remedy. Not in Ayurida. There is no remedy for the child. >> That will be a difficult uh thing for the parents to hear. Right.
(45:42) >> But that's what uh now I know instead of giving a false promise I mean it's also right at the doctor's end to kind of say that you know um it's important to accept >> important to accept your reality. >> Okay. >> But then you can't we can't say it so bluntly. So we have to take some time to politely say it so you don't give them a you know jolt. Mhm.
(46:12) >> So we have to be polite in our words and and uh we have to think it through and present it in a harmonious way. >> Okay. Okay. So this this thing that you heard when you uh put your fingers uh you know at the wrist right at the wrist. Uh >> yeah. So it just comes about how does it uh >> No.
(46:34) So once you're silent >> so that's what so now your question about >> is this is intuition right? I wouldn't call it intuition because I'm able to teach it. >> Okay. Uh intuition cannot be taught. >> Yeah. So I can ask you to just put your fingers on the on the radial artery and just say listen and once you and I have methods to to improve your listening to make it more qualitative where you go silent in your head and in that you are able to decipher what you are sensing.
(47:10) >> Okay. So the students also who you take you will be checking does this person has have enough kafa so that the person is calmer right too much of pitha might not be able to figure that out >> it happens it happens in the in the in the training we usually I I usually tell them I said don't search >> okay don't search >> there are these people who who have this habit of searching >> searching so you don't search you might hear sounds automatically >> you create them >> you create them correct correct correct
(47:40) Okay. Okay. Do you for students also do you check saying they're okay? >> I do. I do. >> You're a good student. Come learn. >> No, no, no, no. I don't do that. I don't do that. >> I have when I when I check them, I tell them that you need this extra practice or you need to practice this more so that you take your time, put your effort to get into silence.
(48:01) For some it can get a little more challenging because they are all over the place. They have this, you know, we always taught to search. We always taught to taught to use our senses. I'm here telling you stop using your senses. So [laughter] >> true that true that. Okay. So so any kind of uh physical abnormalities or any diseases or like for example like a fatty liver right or liver corrosis or a cancer.
(48:32) Uh would you be able to say by uh checking doing an adiparika? >> Yeah a lot of symptoms can be checked. Um cancers for example many of the cancers I have uh have detected much before uh through nipia much before any modern medical diagnostics has been able to do it. For example there was this lady she is now in the US. Um she had brought her mother I checked the nadia I told she has cancer she was losing weight.
(49:02) So she went and got a PET scan done and they couldn't find anything. And she came back she said no there's nothing. When I checked the nar again, I said it isn't the paronium. And they checked the paronium and they found the cancer there. >> Paratonium is >> paronium is is a lining in the in the body. >> Okay. >> So she found they found the cancer in the lining and uh I didn't remember this but when she came back from the US visited India and she came for a consultation and she said I want an appointment and you are the person who disco who found cancer in my mother and
(49:34) I said I would raised my eyebrows. I don't remember doing this and then she reminded me she said that you check through the nadi and told it is in the paronium and that's how we could discover the nadi discover the cancer so there have been cases like that fatty liver yes it's a very easy thing to find in the nadi several other symptoms like digestive issues and uh and uh gall stones uh we can discover eye disorders ear problems hearing problems hair fall we can detect much before it's happening cardiac issues.
(50:08) >> Okay. You can go to the source of it. >> Neur neurological issues. Yes, we can go to the source of it. >> Okay. Okay. And any interesting uh cases like this in terms of diagnosis which you've come across like uh the fatty liver thing or right uh where you've kind of the doctors have said no no problem I mean everything is fine and then you know >> this this this was this is very interesting this happened with my own father so he didn't want iodic treatment he wanted an alopathic uh a modern medical treatment. So we got that's why
(50:46) I told him I'll stand by you because you're my father but I won't I don't agree with your decision. He was pretty okay with that. So um so he was in the ICU and uh my brother and I we took permission from the from the hospital that we want to do a naria every morning at 5 uh to make sure that he's getting the right treatment and they agreed because we are not intrusive.
(51:11) So every morning at 5:00 we checking his nadi and one day we both checked the nadi and we found that the heart is getting affected and we called the intensivist and I told him you um we don't know what medicines you're giving but then the heart is getting affected and he said the cardiac meters are all okay look at that I said okay but we made our our notes 48 hours later the doctor calls us and he says that our machines picked up today and we have withdrawn one medicine.
(51:46) So we were able to detect the the heart uh the issue with the heart primary as a uh I don't know if it is a side effect of the medicine or what 48 hours before their medicine their machines picked up that was something we were able to find out um lot of other symptoms we were able to find where doctors for example we have had uh um gall stones where or kidney stones where doctors have done the ultrasound sometimes it's it's not very very clearly visible.
(52:18) So they've done ultrasound they said no it's not there and we found we've done the nard prediction I said yes there is a stone in the kidney and then they called for a secondary ultrasound probably for a place which was better calibrated I don't know and then actually found the stone there so those are things that we have seen >> okay that's interesting >> and uh there was another person an interesting part was um a person who came for a consultation and he came primarily because he had 50 to 60 sneezes every morning. He wanted to get
(52:52) a consultation and he thought he should fix fix his sneezing. You know that's a logical uh yeah >> so he came to me I I did his naria and I didn't know whether he knew what I had come to know just by placing my fingers on the nardi I knew that he had colon cancer. >> Okay. >> So I told him so and I was really hesitant to announce it.
(53:17) So I told him, "Please get your large intestines checked." And so they went, he went back and then they had a laughing party and they said, "I went to get my sneezing fixed and he asked me to get my the other end checked." But then he had a company medical that had that was due in about a month and a half.
(53:35) He got the company medical happened and that's where they announced that you have colon cancer. And then he came back. He said, "First time I had come with curiosity. Now I have come with trust." And then the treatment began both from the alopathic end and from the ayurvedic end. And I worked a lot on his emotions on uh letting letting go of his fear of his anxieties and to do away with his past.
(53:59) >> Okay. That also has a is a contributor towards towards any kind of diseases or to contract. >> Absolutely. Absolutely. Everything is born of the mind. >> All diseases are born of the mind. And so uh he continues to live today. It's been over over 20 years since uh he went through this journey and he continues to live.
(54:22) >> Okay. Okay. And you also spoke about uh uh duta nari parika >> right which is like a remote um remote nari parika and remote uh I mean for lack of better words pulse diagnosis. Right. So [snorts] um uh so how do you go about doing that and what is the principle behind that? >> See um how does it work? I mean how does the this thing work? >> Now let us say that somebody maybe your greatgrandfather is sick and then so you come to me and you say that now he is in the bed he can't come so you can't bring him and so I'm sitting where I am and
(55:02) you come to me and you say that my great-grandfather is sick. Can you treat him? I need you to be on an empty stomach. So I feel your nadi. I'll ask him to think think of him. He's staying with you living in your house. And you just have to think of him and your nadi will change and I'll feel your nari and tell what's happening to him.
(55:23) This was the practice that was happening in the olden days which I do practice. But what I've done is I have modified with technology. What I do is I connect like we're sitting opposite each other. I connect through a video call um and focus on your forehead or your great-grandfather's forehead and then feel my own nadi and my nadi will change and I will read uh what is happening here and tell you what's tell your [snorts] great-grandfather what's happening so which means you're saying the nadi of my greatgrandfather okay uh say for example you'll just be
(55:58) looking at I mean great we'll talk about Okay. You'll be checking somebody else's nardi, right? You'll be focusing on their forehead and you will be replicating their what the nadi of theirs >> on >> inside you >> in my radial artery. That's correct. >> Okay. Okay. That's that sounds like uh uh telepathy kind of thing, right? I mean uh something like that.
(56:27) Honestly, I don't know how to explain this because this is something that I I am not teaching. I'm not teaching dutari parika. >> This is >> because this again is a little intuitive. >> It no let me tell you what happened. I'll tell you how it started. Now I had read about duty parika. I had no clue. >> So I I um in 2012 I was sitting in my meditation and suddenly I got this message which said give it away before you go.
(56:56) All right. And the next day the training manual for the narika just appeared in my meditation. I just sat down and wrote everything scribbled on a paper and then later on opened a excel sheet and then started writing everything and put it in a good tabular column and printed it out and then I asked in my meditation where are the students you given me given me the job of giving it away before you go.
(57:21) Where are the students? And within 10 days I had a call from Aayush and they said uh hey um we heard you're doing naripika we want you to train doctors we have 160 doctors that that need to learn nadipika >> and she says hana so this is a two-year assignment so I asked him meditation can I go I was told you won't get much money but you'll get rich dividends now I had no clue what it meant so I went there we had beautiful training sessions and now after 2 years of training going and coming. I finally settled down in
(57:54) Bangalore and there's this doctor called Yogesh Kumar. He senses he called me and he said um if I made Hindi that was what he spoke and he said that all right and uh I said okay send me the chart. So I have created a template which all the doctors follow. So he sent me the template. Now I've watching in my iPad.
(58:29) I'm just looking at it and >> [clears throat] >> um trying to read that particular chart which he has sent me. Suddenly the information jumps on my face. Severe losses in real estate is the root cause of all his problems. Random. I'm not looking for anything. I'm just observing the chart. It's suddenly this information jumps on my face and then I so this came through an email. So I just replied to the email.
(58:57) Severe losses in real estate is the root cause of all these problems. Now promptly he called me back and he said [clears throat] [laughter] okay I told him. So then he said I said okay it's up to you. He said I said you know so I have no reason to disbelieve because I don't know what the truth is.
(59:37) So 2:30 promptly this guy calls and uh puts puts me on loudspeaker and he said okay [laughter] and I told him real estate. So this asked the doctor as I said wow that's my first experience of getting this information without having seen the patient. All right. Now I can't call this dutani pika right but then what happened was during so that was in 2013 that this happened in 201 when covid happened when covid happened this is the time when my office
(1:00:23) was in a containment zone my office got sealed 50 days no work so one day I sat the next day I thought I have technology I have Wi-Fi I just give out information. Why do problems occur in the body? You know, people need this. You know, there are people who are just sitting like me, nothing else to do. They can at least have rules, some source to good information.
(1:00:46) So, I started beaming out and there was this lady from us who connected and she said uh can you do dutarip spoken about it? I said I've done it. I've happened in in 2013 and she said you can try. It happens. It happens. It doesn't happen. It doesn't happen. That was uh after 10 years I I know how the process is.
(1:01:07) I have studied about it. So um I asked her to um ask her for an appointment and then we sat she on the side of the camera and I put my fingers on my nard and I focused my attention on her forehead. I said wow. My pulse changed. I started telling her what was happening in her body, in her psychology, in her emotions.
(1:01:29) And she and she said you are point blank. And uh that was the starting that was starting off uh of >> during co covid was a boom time for us. I mean we went global we had appointments from US appointments from Europe from from New Zealand from Australia from across the globe from Singapore. We're able to help so many people.
(1:01:52) people were also kind of scrambling for any other kind of uh you know methods that can help them right I mean because I mean co even the doctors have uh you know put their hand up saying that we don't know what's happening >> it's very new right it was very new and people could not understand what was happening >> so they're looking at all other options right >> one one particular case during covid was one yoga teacher who took the covid vaccine and apparently his body went into a reaction and his pulse his blood pressure shot up to 170 by 100 and pulse
(1:02:25) rate went down to 40. So they just kept him in the hospital. They didn't know what to do. It was very new condition for everybody. [snorts] And then somebody said why don't you contact Mahes? He's able to do that do the naria. I said so they contacted me over a WhatsApp call. I am checking my nadi and suddenly there's an ectopic pulse.
(1:02:45) Suddenly there's a pulse that missing. I went frantic. And then I had to remind myself this is not my nadi. I'm feeling his nadi here. >> So I it was it was a scary experience for me. >> Okay. So it can affect your health as well. >> No, you're looking at somebody else's nari. >> No, >> no, it wouldn't. Okay. Okay. >> Previously I used to do this.
(1:03:11) I wouldn't call it duta pure. What I would do is for people who have uh who are going undergoing diialysis, they would shunt the artery and the vein. >> Okay. So they would shunt the artery and vein and so we will not be able to feel the nadi. For such people I would make them sit across like this. I would focus my attention on the forehead and feel my own nari and I would feel their ni.
(1:03:32) I would do that. >> So that I was doing from 2013 itself but it's remote from a diff from a distance that I started in 2013. Okay. Okay. Um sorry covid time. >> Co time you started off but you your first initiation was 20 >> actively I started practicing during covid time. >> Co time >> the initiation was I mean we call if you call it initiation that happened the revelation happened in 2013 >> 13 >> but then actively I started practicing in during covid time.
(1:04:04) >> Okay. And that is also when you started your uh institute >> then the institute institute is fairly new. It started just about 3 years ago but we have a company >> nit >> around co time right 2012. >> No they no that started in 2016. The company started in 2016. >> Company started. Okay. Okay. The institute >> but the trust >> the trust where all the training happens >> that started 3 years 3 years ago.
(1:04:29) >> Okay. Okay. That's when that's when you thought that you need to >> kind of scale up your uh training. And >> it was actually the chartered accountant who told me that you're going to pay more tax if you're going to get money into the company. So he said >> okay [laughter] >> he said started trust and all your training should happen through that.
(1:04:47) I said okay. >> Oh okay. Okay. Okay. So so how's the training going on? I mean uh how do you train people? >> Um do you have kind of like a venue? Yeah, we have a we have a farm and it's a and we have a river flowing by. It's a very very picturesque place. It is bordering Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh >> and we stay in tents and during those three days it's a three-day training.
(1:05:16) We stay in tents and we have satic food which is prepared and we go through training. So you are off your off your home for 3 days >> off phones. >> Yeah, off no phones are pretty much there. you have network but but the but it's interesting uh the way we introduce it the way we build your focus and attention so you want to participate [clears throat] >> unless you've been forcibly pulled into the program so but most of the most >> which is unlikely >> which is unlikely most people do participate and even sometimes they
(1:05:50) bring their family members and they say that we I want to bring my spouse along and invariably the spouse also gets interested and she also practice he or she practices a few techniques. So it gets very interesting by so it's a three-day program by the end of the third day you are pretty much attuned to listening and you'll be able to do a narr >> okay you kind of calm your mind and become >> rise above the mind yeah you become yeah sensitizing rise above the mind >> yeah sensitizing is something it's you I I teach how do you declutter
(1:06:23) the mind this is important because we have what I classify as sensory confusion you know uh Sensory confusion is like if I tell you if I tell you rasigula you immediately see a rasigula your taste buds begin to tingle right so and then you see a shop and it just goes out so this is a sensory confusion but the rasibula is just a term all right >> the associations get >> the associations are all there in the senses in your mouth and in your ears in your in your vision so all of that trigger so one of the practices is to
(1:06:58) just separate When I say rasagula, you just hear rasugula but nothing happens. No imagery, no salivation, nothing. So, so decluttering the senses is very important for you to for you to become that much more focused. >> Okay. Okay. So, what does your institute do? So, how how does so is it only training? Uh and like you mentioned, you target mostly ayurvedic doctors and medical practitioners, right? health practitioner, right? >> Yes. Um, primarily we are into training.
(1:07:32) The trust is involved in training. That's the primary objective. >> Okay. >> Um, we want to that so we have a vision that that we want to um make this a part of the Ayurvedic practice nipa. We want to bring it back. This was this is so so good that for me particularly I mean when I go to Hariana if you if if you go to Hariana for example or just bordering Delhi any of the B towns if you go and if they get to know that you're a VA they will just roll up their sleeve and they say >> okay it's very it's it's local
(1:08:12) >> it's so normal >> it's so normal but I think doctors say you know and then they say now there's a compromise I so but [clears throat] they don't know how to process your question. So okay you got this okay I'll write this but it can go it but that diagnosis can go very wrong at times it has happened where in one case one of the doctors he uh a patient came to him a villager came to him and said that I have got knee pain.
(1:08:42) So when you have when you have pain it is understood that vu is the is the doer is the cause of the pain. So this person gave the medicine yoga rajaoo he gave. So the patient comes back after a week and says that sorry the pain is not gone. So he doubles the dose. So the patient takes the medicine comes back after a week and says that no it is not gone actually the pain is aggravated.
(1:09:07) Now this man doesn't know what to do. During that time he comes for the naria training in hana in 2013. And then he learns nari parika. He goes back his name is Dr. Pawan Kumar. He goes back and he checks an area. He said har this guy's got a pitha problem. It's not a vata problem. Now he changes to panchakar.
(1:09:25) Now he changes that and then the villager comes back. So now the relief is there you know. So when you do nipa you understand what is the kind of dsha that is affecting you. So that is very important for doctors to learn because we are aya is all about those. It's not only about symptoms. It's all about those.
(1:09:44) Where is the imbalance? So what symptom does this imbalance create? So if you don't understand the imbalance, you don't understand the symptom. >> Correct. The >> diagnosis is very very crucial. Right? >> The the symptom can be very similar. For example, if you say see one of the major problems with uh with the human with with people is is gut health.
(1:10:08) It's a huge problem. Constipation is a terminology. Okay. Now how do you understand constipation or is it that I'm not def I'm not able to defecate that is constipation for me right a common man >> but ayura terminology is different we say constipation that means you have hard stools not that you're not able to defecate you have hard stools which are which are not able to pass >> that is constipation but in Ayurveda we have low boil pressure which means your stools are not wellformed >> stools are not hard but they're not
(1:10:39) coming you sit on the pot for half an hour and every day and you still aren't empty. Now that is not constipation. Now the medicines for that differ treatment for it differs. The two entirely different symptoms which are very similar when you have to explain but but the but if I if you were a patient you came to me and you wouldn't be able to tell me uh what what's happening to you just say that I'm not able to go in the morning.
(1:11:08) I'm constipated. I know and and you can't expect the you know the patient also to be 100% articulate. >> Exactly. Exactly. Because what a a client is trying to communicate is very different from what he or she's experiencing. >> The source of the problem might be different versus the symptom. >> Absolutely. >> You'll have to get into I mean it's quite complex in that sense.
(1:11:31) >> Absolutely. >> Right. Okay. Okay. And so you also do uh marmma chikitsa. >> Mhm. Right. Uh could you throw light into it? Mara, we've heard about marhma which is like your nerve or your uh the acupressure points. >> No, you know linked to linked to marhma right I mean these are your points. >> So actually wherever there are points there are about 107 points in the body where prana accumulates and distributes.
(1:12:06) All right. For example, if I have to move these fingers, prana has to move. >> That's how I'm able to move these fingers. The moment prana gets arrested, my fingers will get >> get rigid. I won't be able to have the flexibility of movement. >> Right? So that's what prana does. When prana accumulates and stagnates, you start having discomfort.
(1:12:28) And when you disregard discomfort trying to, you know, put up with it, it begins to create pain. And then there is rigidity. There's inflammation. There's rigidity. And there could be a tumor. There could be you know all kinds of problem. Host of problems when you go on ignoring.
(1:12:46) Now these points seven points where prana accumulates and then stagnates are called marma points. >> Okay. >> Pain will occur only there. >> And that the sages have identified. These are the 107 points where pain can can accumulate. >> And so here we release that uh that prana which has accumulated. >> So how do you go about um uh you know doing the marmachikitsa? Is it do you deal this with touch or is it like acupressure, acupuncture? Uh so how do you go about uh your practice? So there are specific points there are about 107 points exactly which have been
(1:13:31) [clears throat] discovered by the rishies >> okay >> and they have given these points and the knowledge is passed down through training and uh here there are it is touch it is press strokes and uh and also it is u um a rotary movement that's uh so these are the four types press, touch, strokes and rotary movements.
(1:13:57) These are four types that we employ primarily to affect the marma. >> Okay. And what kind of patients do you deal with usually marma? Uh >> we have people with aches and pains >> and people with gastric troubles, people with headaches, u people with uh cervical pains and uh leg pains. Usually it's it's uh more from the physical side of it. Mhm.
(1:14:22) And marmachika is mainly not only physical also people who have uh sleep disorders and people who have depression they get very good relief when they when we do marmachikits. In fact in one particular case there was this lady [clears throat] who told me that after getting several mmachita sessions done she said that she was uh being less um less angry with her children.
(1:14:49) She said it had made her more peaceful. Okay, >> which is actually the secondary benefit but not the primary benefit of marmachita. It definitely calms you down. That's something that we all experience. >> Okay. Okay. So do you combine this with the nadi parika also to kind of give combined uh so one is diagnosis and the marma is more the uh treatment part of it.
(1:15:16) So you combine both of these things uh methods to >> that's correct. Yes. Okay. for to achieve results for the patients. >> Yes. Um in one case particularly um uh there are two cases but in one case which happened last year was we were in a training program where uh we had uh MD doctors no my doctors who were there who had come to learn and this was in not in our facility but we conducted it in another facility and uh that was a that was a premium uh uh treatment center.
(1:15:50) So the one of the staff they said uh the last day they said we have done the naria for this uh person these are the readings that we have got can you please do the diagnosis. So it was kind of putting me to test you know and then I and before um before doing nariput before uh getting into the conclusion I mean giving the giving the conclusion the conclusive analysis they needed to do a to demonstrate for me to demonstrate marmachit on that particular guy and so I taught how to get rid of the gastric troubles and improve
(1:16:26) digestion improve defecation I was teaching that when I put my fingers on the nardi, I was shown uh that this person the information just just was revealed to me that this boy had taken loans the loans for the family but he was the only one who had to repay the loans. Nobody else contributed. So that was the information that I got from the marma while I was doing the marma.
(1:16:53) While doing mhm I often get information on what they've eaten. So I put my finger and I can see the food that I've eaten. So it just comes as a flash to my in my in my vision. So this this information came to me. So while I was explaining the nardi uh uh the evaluation, I brought this up and I told them that this indicates in a particular when the nardi is is revealing this particular way that means that the pulse is moving in a particular way.
(1:17:26) This means that the person does not have enthusiasm to live. And I told them that when I was doing Mhm. I got this information that this person has taken a loan for the family but he's paying all by himself. He said that's so true. And and to the point when there is pitha out here then the person can also uh contemplate ending his life.
(1:17:45) >> Okay, >> which I mentioned and he burst out said yes I had contemplated ending my life. So that is one thing where we combined Brahma and u nadi it gave out this uh this diagnosis. There's another um instance which happened a few years ago where we had this professor from myer who had come and he had problem in the ear [snorts] here and the lower jaw.
(1:18:13) So he visited a dentist and the dentist said no your your jaw is absolutely fine. Uh the teeth are absolutely in place there's no problem. Then he got an MRA done. MR came out clean but he's got this pain. >> So clinically everything is >> clinically everything is all right. >> So I put my fingers on the nard I said that you have a issue with your anger and that's the reason why you have this pain. He smiled you know.
(1:18:36) I asked him what's that? He said how could anger cause this problem? There's no logic to it. So my next question was do you want a demo? He said yes. So I just did murmur and the pain vanished. Okay. And that kind of a sheepish smile turned out to a gleeful smile. And I asked him what happened. He said my pain is gone. And then I told him every time you have anger is pain will come.
(1:19:03) So otherwise you are painfree. And then he took that clue and then the next time I was traveling to Mysore I just called him and said I'm coming to Mysore. He said allow me to book my book tickets uh book your accommodation allow me to take care of you and he was extremely grateful and we met and he told me that I really took care of that clue and every time that anger comes I know there's a tinge of pain that occurs so that was a very good >> the person is more conscious now >> he's more conscious and and he completely healed
(1:19:35) >> taking care of dur so this was during that one session >> just one session >> okay okay [laughter] The demo became the cure. >> Okay. Okay. So, so look, all this is ancient science, right? >> Knowledge. >> Science. >> Not science. Okay. Ancient knowledge. And uh so is there anything that you have come across that is beyond it or or uh you know have you made any other discoveries just stumbled upon discoveries because you've stumbled upon many many things and got into uh the you know nadi and marhma and everything
(1:20:10) right so uh so are there any instances like this which >> yeah there >> which has kind of shaped your thought process perspectives and stuff >> no no it didn't shape my thought process it it added to my list of you know nadis. >> Okay. Different kinds of evaluations. So far we have uh >> documented over 1,55 combinations of nadi.
(1:20:34) >> Okay. >> Okay. There are different combinations of nari of the three fingers. >> Three fingers there are 155 combinations. >> So vata pa kafa >> in rai >> combinations of those itself. >> No vata has got characteristics. >> Okay. dry, rough, it's feeble, >> it's unsteady. So we have four kinds. >> So vata itself has cate subdivisions.
(1:20:57) >> Correct. It's cold. It's >> also has subdivisions. >> Kafa also has subdivisions >> and combinations of those >> and combinations of those. There are so far we have categorized 155 combinations and we're still getting new combinations. >> Okay. >> So we got one of those combinations where the pulse was oscillating.
(1:21:15) I have never felt this anywhere. This after 10 years of my practice, I've never seen this kind of a pulse. I was in Chennai and this lady and I asked her um uh I need you to tell me what's happening in your stomach. I have not felt this kind of an anywhere. She said I've had a beriatric surgery. I said oh so that's a intervention right? It's a surgical intervention.
(1:21:39) You >> I said oh that's interesting. Now that was a new information for my memory. Okay. >> It is a new nadi which which was not there traditionally. >> Correct. But how does a biatric surgery give that oscillation? >> No. If you ask me that I don't know. I don't I'm sorry. I don't have an answer to that.
(1:21:58) But a biatric surgery changes the way the pulse operates. It changes the way the nari works. You actually interfered. >> Okay. Okay. >> You have interfered with the with the mechanism with the natural mechanism that nature has created. See biatic surgery primarily is created to make a person lose weight by restricting the food intake.
(1:22:21) So you can't eat more >> right rather than teaching the person restraint. >> H okay this is forced uh things. So you force a kind of a >> you feel full >> you feel full faster >> faster >> so you can't eat >> because >> but then but then you also feel empty faster so you end up eating many number of times >> but then you eat little in quantity and then you use lose your weight but you also have the the you could have a side effect of tachi cardio or some or >> so the nadi is different for these pe these kind of people or that one person
(1:22:58) >> any person who go through a surgical interventure mention any part of the body nadi will change. So how does a so nadi does it change for every minute thing or the nadi stays constant or does it change uh according to your mood according to the day and stuff like that how >> so there there are two things [clears throat] >> one is now we are talking right why is increasing >> I am talking so why is increasing in me >> all right so vatosha will increase in me you are listening so vatosha will increase in And anybody who's listening to this
(1:23:34) video, watching this video, value will increase in them. This is a natural process. But it's not consistent. It's not constant. So the moment they listen, moment this program, this podcast is over, the value will come down. All right? So it's not a constant, but there are longstanding patterns. So let us say that you are are a taxi driver or let us say you're a frequent flyer.
(1:23:59) A frequent fly every every month 20 days you're flying you will have a different kind of an AI it would have become almost it would have altered your your physiology >> okay >> so there the vata will be more >> vata would be just on the roof >> okay >> and with it some other dshath would have increased the pitha and kafa dosha subtypes would have increased so you will have symptoms like improper defic ation. You'll have cervical pains.
(1:24:31) You'll have lower back pains. You'll have pain in the legs. >> Okay? >> You'll have uh inflammation in the legs. You can't sit comfortably cross. >> So, which is why a lot of people who travel long, right? Uh they tend to have swollen uh legs. >> Correct. >> Okay. You can actually all link it with your own experiences.
(1:24:52) >> It's not very actually if you pay attention to your body, you can pretty much understand how your body works. M >> and now coming back to this buriatric surgery experience. Now 6 months later I was in Mumbai >> on consultations. There was another doctor who used to call me twice a month >> and there was this 65year-old Muslim man and uh I placed my fingers on the nadi and I felt the same oscillation and I asked him have you had a beriatric surgery he said yes.
(1:25:21) I said wow that was a new thing that I discovered. >> Okay. Okay. So does it happen with any kind of operations or is it more? >> Yeah. So there was uh there was this another professor who I mean another scientist who whom I used to work with and uh I checked this Nadia and found so much heat in the in the small intestine. I said wow I said Dr.
(1:25:44) Haridasan you have got so much heat in the small intestine. What's the problem? So he laughed and he said few years ago they were traveling somewhere and then there was a truck with these iron bars. So it pierced the truck suddenly suddenly breaked and then the car couldn't break. So the iron rods pierced his abdomen.
(1:26:06) So 21 some 10 ft of his intestines were taken away. >> So a small intestine had become shorter by that much and that had led to the increase in heat. So whatever was remaining was compensating for for the >> for the digestion >> for the digestion process. So the heat had increased so much. >> So you so there's apart from the uh ancient knowledge there are >> lot of still on.
(1:26:30) >> Yeah. Yes. There see there are there's so many so many surgical interventions which are I haven't seen anybody with a transplant. So >> okay >> I I still need to see them how they how their nardi would be like an eye transplant or a heart transplant liver transplant kidney transplant. >> Yeah.
(1:26:49) So I don't know how the how the nadi would be in that kind of a condition. I have checked I wanted to check AIDS patients >> and uh I remember checking this couple checking the nadi and I found the nadi we call it as a vea that is the rate of the nadi. Uh so we chant the mantra we chant the gay mantra. In one mantra how many beats occur is we call it as a matra that is the meter.
(1:27:13) So what is the meter look like? So in this the meter was very high. It was 18 18 times the nadi was pulsating and I told them uh this is an idea of a terminally ill patient. What's wrong with you? Both of them looked at me in the eye without a word. I just couldn't make out. It's later that we got to know when the husband died, we got to know that he had AIDS.
(1:27:37) And then the wife died, we said he had AIDS. So I didn't know that I had checked an AIDS patient. >> So they knew >> they knew. >> They knew. >> They knew. >> And then uh now I'm treating uh people with AIDS. And one lady who was there was very sick. Uh we're giving the right medications and the medications. So she's uh quietened her body is quietened down very calm and where she should have ideally passed away about five years ago now she's still pulling along and pulling out comfortably.
(1:28:09) >> Okay. Okay. So some of you tend to get lot of these extreme cases would that be [gasps] a thing to say? I mean like uh even even uh yesterday I got I got a message saying that my father has got some saturation and the doctors are not able to make out what the problem is. We got your consultation.
(1:28:32) So more of these doctors are not able to figure out what the problem is. >> Correct? Because the first option is always okay let's go to the doctor and figure out. >> It's the most familiar option. >> Most familiar option and then the doctor gives up then uh you know they look at other options right. >> Yeah that's right. >> So the tendency would be that right? Yeah.
(1:28:52) But but um now it's changing slowly because people are coming to us as the first choice. >> Okay. >> Uh many cases because >> lifestyle choices. >> Uh not only that also because um uh the the insurance prices and the medical expenses are all skyrocketing and many people are not able to afford it and they want to go to um better options at lesser prices.
(1:29:17) >> Okay. Okay. Okay. >> Uh so and also your institute >> which is there right? So how do you see this you know 10 years down the line you know where does what do you want it to become uh reason to exist uh for that institute what how do you see this? >> So we have a vision um a vision is to actually bring this nadi para into into the system and for that we have had several road maps.
(1:29:48) The first road map was to train government doctors. So that was the first thing that we accomplished. The second road map was to become an author of a book. Now that was accomplished. The third is to is is the leg that we are on where we where um I am finding those five people who are going to be the pillar pillars of the institute.
(1:30:10) So these five people should give themselves to the institute. I mean they should be so brilliant in nipa. And we have found we found one person. There's a second person who claims to be one but we just need to watch if he's one. But he's very bright though. So we need five people. These five people will eventually start training others. Okay.
(1:30:28) >> And then that's when the institute will find its purpose and uh slowly but surely it'll the ni will come back to it may happen during my time or maybe after me. >> Okay. [laughter] >> [gasps] >> So uh wishing that uh you know it happens as quick as possible you find those five people right [snorts] who's uh going to kind of lead uh you know Nadi Chikitsa Institute right >> that's right >> yeah so uh all the best wishes to you uh uh you know Mahur >> uh and uh I hope that you know um this particular method this particular
(1:31:06) technique that you've stumbled upon and improved uh right keeps growing and provides for a lot of insights for doctors ayurvedic doctors uh going forward and uh thanks a lot for joining us uh uh at the studio. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, thanks.